Aug 09, 2014 7:08 PM

They have in the past cut and pasted the signature without the additions.

They might have run into trouble as the application form would have the information on it. Now they get you to redo the application each time.

I think they probably consider that they will never have to produce the original application form in any case, whether they should or not.

Hmmmm so the licence was signed "Vi Coactus" aka UNDER CONSTRAINT? I am trying to separate the FREE-Duuuuuuuuuuumb from reality. If this is acceptable then would V.C. or N.A. (Non Assumpsit) be options also?

How can you apply under duress without a gun to your head? Regardless of the piracy of the DVLA, I think you might more correctly put A.R. because you ARE the authorised representative for the NAME, but of course when stopped you are NOT THE NAME. Of course you need to hold the license in case you ever need to operate in commerce under the aupices of the government, but when you are not doing so it is of no relavance to you. Except they won't taser you for not having one. What a load of crap the world is with these lunatics in charge. They will still cut the A.R. from the signature.

No you would not use A.R. (authorized REPRESENTATIVE) Damien Duffy. Why do you say this? Do you think this means the same thing as SOLE AUTHORIZED ADMINISTRATOR for LEE EDGELY. What Lee Edgely has talked about is how to sign, not how to fill out an application. This looks like a shitstain. Nobody can tell someone how to sign anything. Doing so removes any VOLUNTARY from signing. This is what is meant by "under constraint".

Why? because it beng the best I have found so far. Better than signing AS THE NAME in any case. I have not previously encountered SOLE AUTHORIZED ADMINISTRATOR. Yes it seems better than A.R. They will cut it out anyway. We are dealing with pirates. I seem to feel that certain paperwork must be in order to put "SOLE AUTHORIZED ADMINISTRATOR" is that so? Or are we entitled because the NAME is a PRINCIPAL EMBODIMENT? If we are trustee of the birth certificate (state property) can we be administrator also? Which is it? principal embodiment, or state property? Is it state property by presumption only? I have looked at Frank O'collins "general executor" role and that indeed requires much process. Thank you for engaging any misunderstanding I may have transmitted.

PS if the "shitstain" is indeed so, and is corrected, then people will learn from it.

I wouldn't mention frank Collins around here. Unless it is to say do not try this. I believe dean Clifford tried the executor role in court. He is still in custody. Rumor is sentencing has or is about to occur. There is a video going around of him being sentenced to 23 years

What are you talking about Damien Duffy? Your questions reveal much about how much time you have spent reading the posts here at TTFL. Make an effort to avoid creating shit stains by reading first. I suggest you learn from those that have come before you and read ...a lot! Before Capitain Pete or the Admiral have to tell you to. Just sayin' :P

I was not recommending his procedure, merely saying I had looked at it. My reservations about O'collins are much more fundamental that his process. Simply put he just doesn't feel genuine. As for reading here, I have done some but obviously not enough. I will from now on refrain from making contributions until I am using knowledge gained here.

The driver's license it's a trap. It has been discussed in a few threads. It's THEIR service, you are applying. And they BELIEVE they can tell you what to do/how to do it, and apparently it worked. The game is rigged.

When you sign, you are agree to be the recognized as the person, an agent, surety, and to let them use everything you voluntarily give them to identify YOU as such. That is why the folks that know about this horrible liability use DRIVERS, and avoid the trouble. If you do not drive, you do not need a driver's license. But if you are driving, for reasons of INSURANCE, it's required.

Mistakes can be corrected, but what a pain in the ass. :/

Also, if you let strangers boss you around, let them tell you even how NOT to sign (hellos!!) and you OBEY, what are you exactly complaining about?

Damien Duffy, I would very, very strongly suggest you go watch "Money as Debt III - Evolution Beyond Money" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3P7izAUe3ZM , then read these: (before you keep spreading bullshit)

NOTE: Articles with FOR IDIOTS in the title do NOT mean they are simple.

PERSONS FOR IDIOTS https://www.facebook.com/notes/scott-duncan/the-tender-for-law-persons-for-idiots-c-2014-roguesupport-inc/983715385028267

SURETY FOR IDIOTS https://www.facebook.com/groups/tenderforlaw/permalink/490608044308466/

LEGALESE FOR IDIOTS https://www.facebook.com/groups/tenderforlaw/permalink/490962517606352/

JOINDER FOR IDIOTS https://www.facebook.com/notes/scott-duncan/the-tender-for-law-joinder-for-idiots-c-2014-roguesupport-inc/942359415830531

INSURANCE FOR THE INEPT https://www.facebook.com/groups/tenderforlaw/permalink/535384496497487/

What is the difference between LEGAL and LAWFUL? https://www.facebook.com/notes/scott-duncan/what-is-the-difference-between-legal-and-lawful/813446965388444

PROPER NOTICE https://www.facebook.com/groups/tenderforlaw/permalink/482690341766903/

ONE PEOPLE'S PUBLIC FRAUD https://www.facebook.com/groups/tenderforlaw/permalink/484380801597857/

UCC FOR IDIOTS / OPPF Pt. II https://www.facebook.com/groups/tenderforlaw/permalink /484745448228059/

THE TENDER FOR LAW — CHILDREN'S AID SOCIETY [C.A.S] FOR IDIOTS https://www.facebook.com/groups/tenderforlaw/permalink/602363389799597/

AGENCY (ARTIFICIAL PERSONS) FOR IDIOTS [ DRAFT! ] (c) 2014 ROGUESUPPORT INC. https://www.facebook.com/notes/scott-duncan/the-tender-for-law-agency-artificial-persons-for-idiots-draft-c-2014-roguesuppor/986073134792492

The Looming Threat of FreeDumb https://www.facebook.com/notes/scott-duncan/the-tender-for-law-the-looming-threat-of-freedumb/815869621812845

The Looming Threat of FreeDumb - ADDENDUM https://www.facebook.com/notes/scott-duncan/the-tender-for-law-the-looming-threat-of-freedumb-addendum/986796628053476

FREE-DUMB - THE TRUTH & ROBERT MENARD! https://www.facebook.com/notes/scott-duncan/the-tender-for-law-pseudo-article-to-tide-you-over-while-we-continue-work-on-the/889809034418903

Thank you for the links. In view of what you said, do you know why The Admiral doesn't like people wishing to drive without license? Re insurance, a broker told me that he could legally provide insurance cover under the chassis number for a machine being used on the road outside of statute law, but that his manager would not allow him to do so. Most companies just disregard any enquiry.

I did not said the Admiral doesn't like people wishing to drive without license. :/ YOU said that.

Please watch, and read those valuable articles before making more questions, for now. It's a suggestion.

PS if I could afford a DRIVER it might be a nice thing, but as I ride a motorcycle....... (and the new Brough Superior doesn't have a passenger seat).

When Scott Duncan did say he dosen't like PEOPLE wishing to drive without a license ? :-\

Damien Duffy, even with a driver, your comments remind me of your version in sax of "Hushabye" from your facebook player... slightly out of key. :P

It was in one of Chris Evan threads.

When I get home tonight I'll look it up.

I apologize, he says without INSURANCE, specifically: "if it interacts with, and affects others, and it is not insured, it is the government's mandate to remove it from the PUBLIC domain. If there was nobody on the road except you, it would be ok to drive without insurance. But there is...so it isn't."

Ya that's right. I believe I misquoted as well.

i remember that thread. it was when he mentioned to hire a driver, and dont drive. HOWEVER,he never entertained the free dumb notion of TRAVELIN, except that he did explain in a post about INSURANCE and made it known to us about liability.

seems to me that i might think if i carried around a copy of the birth record, that the signed surety example, is/and/are/should would be all one requires to possess.

What if i use my red stamp,"ucc1-308 all rights reserved, without prejudice ", then sign on the red print?

If ya wanna drive just keep it all legal. It's not worth the hassle...

Yes Eamonn O Brien!! I would do this much differently if I had the chance

Bryan Parker, read UCC for idiots.

Mackximus Minimus : For 3 yrs playing and only learning that tune I don't mind at all how you like it. I know guys playing 25 yrs wish they could play like I can already on this shit Jupiter tenor. Send me a Selmer and I'll record a better version for you. Those recordings are only there for ex work-colleagues and friends to hear my progress because I couldn't play not very long ago.. Most of them seem to think I am doing incredibly well since I never had any lessons. My lessons are listening to Michael Brecker and David Sanborn. This is a better one:http://www.reverbnation.com/damienduffy/song/20565460-the-cat-is-king and this: http://www.reverbnation.com/damienduffy/song/20670020-both-sides . When I consider my playing to be mature I may return and then ask you your opinion.

Scott Duncan, the link did not work. Send it to me if you will brother.

What link? It's one of the articles RIGHT HERE IN THIS GROUP.

You are experiencing the same syndrome countless banned people have played out, over and over again: Speaking up and asking questions, before reading EVERYTHING HERE.

Your questions are stupid. They've been covered here already, and provide plenty of proof as to HOW stupid those questions are.

Ceit Butler just pinned the MUST READ articles.

READ

I never said such things as "sucks eggs" :P

Mackximus Minimus "When you sign, you are agree to be the recognized as the person, an agent, surety, and to let them use everything you voluntarily give them to identify YOU as such....Mistakes can be corrected, but what a pain in the ass."

Folks may have APPLIED for the DRIVER"S LICENCE but it was not done with FULL DISCLOSURE. Therefore UNDERSTANDING what one was asking/CONTRACTing for would be impossible. This DRIVER'S LICENCE is used as evidence allowing GOVERNMENT/COURTS/POLICE to take the presumption that a man IS the PERSON and present it as a FACT. This is IMPOSSIBLE and is the core of the ACT of deception and is a LIE. Since "mistakes can be corrected" how does one correct this mistake then?

You start by asking the RIGHT questions, via registered mail....

That's EXACTLY what I have done, back in december, when I have asked:

Hey, what birth date should I put on this renewal form ?

The person's, or mine....which are two different dates...

The health care in Quebec is directly attached to the driver's license.....

If I can't renew the Health care, I can't renew the driver's licence, both have the same picture.

Now, since the question I have asked is a very good question, it seems that they can not answer it....so it's THEIR fault if I don't have a driver's license and a Health care card now....it's NOT MY FAULT.... :P

And a PROPER notice has been sent to both the driver's license bureau, and the health care bureau, saying that ANY prejudice that could be caused to me, and/or my person, they are FULLY liable for it.

In other words, if they can't deal with the TRUTH, there's not much I can do about it !!...no ? :/

I see the brilliance in such a strategic and tactical manoevre. I too am BELLIGERENT Capitain Pete :) So then must one wait until it is time to renew to correct this mistake? That's another 13 months on my DL and Health Card (interesting that the EXPIRY dates are the SAME) and my PERSON has a court date for driving with an expired tag in OCTOBER ;/

It's funny because I must have said it a hundred times in here; ASK QUESTIONS VIA REGISTERED MAIL, all the questions you ask in here, should be asked to them too.....I am not joking with this, BOMBARD THEM WITH THESE very important questions......seriously... :-D

Communication RECEIVED Capitain Pete. Yes I will ask them if I must wait to correct this MISTAKE on my DL and HEALTH CARD :D

You don't have to wait 13 months, you can send the question right away....as:

Hey, I am not sure but I think a mistake was made on the DATE OF BIRTH of the person I happen to have, so I just would like you to confirm to me that the BIRTH DATE to be put in the application form, was really MY birth date and not the person's birth date which is different than mine....

See ? :D

David-Paul Sip, do you have a vaccum cleaner not to far from you ? :)

I see clearly :D Lol! I do have a vacuum but I dare not ask why you ask do I :o

I did plugged the vacuum cleaner in my brain, to suck up ANY fucked up idiocy that could have been stored in there.... :D

And I keep doing maintenance, often :D

Ha ha ha ha! :)

Fuck I love this place lol! :D

These PUBLIC servants are into existence to SERVE us, so USE them......for ANY questions that might cross your mind......just let it rip.......USE THEM, without FEAR.....

If they don't ANSWER, increase the pace.....because MAJORITY would stop, and since MAJORITY is ALWAYS wrong, do the EXACT opposite, if they do NOT answer, do more..... ;)

There's nothing wrong in having one Terabyte of UNDERTAKINGS..... :D

One of the first lesson I have caught in here, is I DON'T KNOW, so why not do like a 5 years old child and ASK, if the truth is that "I DON'T KNOW ?

Nothing is wrong with that ? ....no ? :/

Hey, federal agent Jason Moreland, how am I doing ? :D

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Right. I am definitely an IDIOT and not qualified to UNDERSTAND or interpret their rules but I will try to. All I need MR. PUBLIC SERVANT is some help to UNDERSTAND so please answer ALL my questions. And I have lots! :D

One at a time, just one SIMPLE question at a time......very important :)

Yes of course, this is one of the more important lessons I have learned in the TTFL and from the Capitain so far.

" Folks may have APPLIED for the DRIVER"S LICENCE but it was not done with FULL DISCLOSURE. Therefore UNDERSTANDING what one was asking/CONTRACTing for would be impossible."

Except that as the Scottism goes: "none of this is hidden". The fact that no one reads the MOTOR VEHICLE ACT before signing is simply ignorance on their part. Signing a contract without reading all of the fine print first is just a dumb idea.

Since you all clearly missed it the other day, I'll let Kyle explain why that is :p

http://vimeo.com/24782590

Who's Kyle ? ....

I haven't missed it Ceit Butler, I agree, I did NOT read that act, when I was 16, and applied for that driver's license.....I know, and confess..... :D

But now, I have NO problem with reading the act, but I just need to know WHICH date of birth to put on the form, MINE or PIERRE DAOUST's one.... :P

"Who's Kyle?" You obviously didn't watch the VERY relevant video. Don't let the fact that it's animated throw you off. South Park is a VERY intelligent and subversive show.

Oh.... :/

"When you sign, you are agree to be the recognized as the person, an agent, surety, and to let them use everything you voluntarily give them to identify YOU as such."

Where in the Highway Traffic Act (HTA) is DISCLOSURE given saying that I agreed to be recognized as the PERSON, or an AGENT, or even as SURETY? I admit I would not have known what any of these things meant then... I also agree that I had never read the HTA and that signing anything without reading the fine print is a BAD idea, but can someone show me where it explicitely DISCLOSES that these three things were being agreed to?

Oh and awesome video Ceit!

They don't get to dictate how you sign your name!

WHY WON'T IT READ?

Acts & statutes apply to persons... People enter the legal world showing understanding via a signature not even knowing what a person is... The definition is in the interpretation act or the act itself... People I speak to don't even know what the statute book is... Blinded by belief...

"Because it's the law" is the worst fucking phrase anyone can say to me... Where does one start to explain how ignorant it is...? :/

Lost me there...What definition in the Interpretation Act are you referring to Eamonn O Brien?

Here in Ireland the term person is defined in what's known as the interpretation act... Otherwise it will be defined in the particular act you're reading ie. Motor Act or whatever... I didn't even know what a statute was when I first applied for a license. We're just brought up being told "that's how it's done"... :/

Oh the definition of PERSON...better yet PERSON is defined in the LEGISLATION ACT :) This ACT governs ALL legislation including the Interpretation Act

In Ontario: http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/statutes/english/elaws_statutes_90h08_e.htm

-Section 31: "Driving a privilege

31. The purpose of this Part is to protect the public by ensuring that,

(a) the privilege of driving on a highway is granted to, and retained by, only those persons who demonstrate that they are likely to drive safely; and

(b) full driving privileges are granted to novice and probationary drivers only after they acquire experience and develop or improve safe driving skills in controlled conditions. 1993, c. 40, s. 1."

-("Privilege: A particular benefit, advantage, or Immunity enjoyed by a person or class of people that is not shared with others. A power of exemption against or beyond the law. It is not a right but, rather, exempts one from the performance of a duty, obligation, or liability." IT IS NOT A RIGHT!)

-Section 32: Issuance of driver’s licence, endorsements

(5) The Minister may require an applicant for a driver’s licence or an endorsement or a person who holds a driver’s licence to submit to the examinations that are authorized by the regulations at the times and places required by the Minister and to meet other prescribed requirements, and the Minister may,

(a) in the case of an applicant for a driver’s licence,

(i) issue the driver’s licence of the class and subject to the conditions authorized by the regulations that, in the opinion of the Minister, are justified by the results of the examinations and other prescribed requirements, or

(ii) where the applicant fails to submit to or to successfully complete the examinations or fails to meet the other prescribed requirements, refuse to issue a driver’s licence to the applicant;

(b) in the case of a person who holds a driver’s licence,

(i) impose the conditions authorized by the regulations, remove any conditions or endorsements or change the class or classes of driver’s licence held by the person, in accordance with the results of the examinations and other prescribed requirements, or

(ii) where the person fails to submit to or to successfully complete the examinations or fails to meet the other prescribed requirements, impose the conditions authorized by the regulations, remove any endorsements, suspend or cancel the driver’s licence held by the person or change the class or classes of driver’s licence held by the person;"

"Impose the conditions authorized by the regulations..." That's pretty clear, isn't it?

the questions you need to be asking " Is there a statutory obligation that requires me to sign my name according to MTO policies ? Does the Gov`t instruct you on how you may sign your name ? What makes you believe they have a right to tell me how to sign my name ? If they are unhappy with my signature then all they have to do is refund every dime they have taken and I`ll stop using the benefits they force me to participate in

That about sums it up Rick Hiltz lol! After all what STATUTORy "obligation" could possibly require a man to sign anything according to MINISTRY policy. If these PUBLIC SERVANTS do not APPROVE of the signature then let them sign and be SURETY just like a couple TRUSTEES did on the Birth Certificate :D

they will tell you that your signature is going to be rejected and that you will have to be reprocessed .Just tell them you are going to sign the same way and if they are not happy with your signature then all they have to do is refund every dime they have taken and you will stop using the benefits they force you to participate in. Of course they need you because of the benefits you provide them so they will accept it . Been there done it already

So you have a license that says you are the sole authorized administrator?

not yet my health card says For and then my name was told i couldn`t sign that way

but the card was issued any ways as i signed it

And what birth date did you guys used ? :-\

I met a guy from Canada who signed it "non assumpsit"

What the fuck is the date of birth you guys are using on these pieces of shit ID cards ? :(

All my Id has my actual date of birth.

I've only just realized I have a person and am not a person

like wise

I think, before even begin to think of signing this shit, it would be a good idea to make sure the thing has the correct information on it, it's only fair ??... :-\

Agreed. I'm going to ask the proper question next week as soon as the lice see renewal form shows up

License*

Oppsss....juste received this in PM, from the "Who gives a shit" department...this little guy is asking if it's possible to have what's left over in Robin Williams's fridge..... :/

Thanks for passing on....

Pete.

Disclaimer: What is so funny about pasta and rasta and identification. Is this a reasonable individual? http://bc.ctvnews.ca/pastafarian-fights-to-wear-colander-in-b-c-driver-s-licence-photo-1.1959706

Warning Freedunmb ahead

Lol. He is in custody I bet

So clever! A must watch!

http://www.free-tv-video-online.me/player/novamov.php?id=bi1vhb4b24a8f