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Non.

I understand that you are a proud Québécois, but the people here have nothing but contempt for you because of decades of transfer payments and NONE OF YOU understanding what Quebec sovereignty means. None of you know who Russell Rogers Smith is, and you're too proud and arrogant to teach. Just go away and be Retardier somewhere else.

Volume 7

Jul 08, 2014 9:47 PM

Janick Paquette

My son went to Central America for a month and when he was there, his phone got stolen.

Where he was, the internet connections were not available. So as soon as he got back, he called Telus and told them about it.

They said: "you should have called when you lost it"! despite the fact that he explained that it was impossible to do so where he was, they said he owed them — 3000$ for the account! :(

So he dealed a settlement with them reducing the debt a little bit. But at the light of what he learned, he then sent a letter asking for the different methodes of payments available to him to take care of the debt, in the delays required.

Today he got cut off.

He called Telus and asked WHY they had cut off the phone since (explained what he had done) and of course they did because he hadn't PAID.

So he went down to his mail box and saw that he had a coupon from the postal office saying that he had received a Registered Mail Letter and that it would be available for him to pick up tomorrow. ___________________________________

So we are wondering, since he want to PAY what he used (his package price) but doesn't want to mix the PAYING part and the ADMINISTRATION part, can he call them and PAY what he used and deal with the rest by Mail?

Also, can he fax them a NOTICE saying that they do not have the right to cut him off because he was in his delay and that he will pay, the usage he did of it by Credit Card?

Can someone guide me on this?

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Will Bed

When the local internet network was hacked and they stole upwards of 160 gb per day, I contacted Videotron, explained them who I was, that I had a PERSON, that that PERSON's been a customer there for 15 years and always administrated the account FLAWLESSLY, I told them I didnt want them to have to pay for that theft / fraud, but neither was I going to pay for that. When something gets stolen, you call the police, and it so happens that the police in Quebec is the SURETY du QUEBEC...

So any theft or fraud must be a matter of surety, and you have the RIGHT to your PERSON's SURETY...

We played ball back and forth for 3 months, then they finally decided to ERASE THE DEBT... Go figure out !

So if I were you, I'd play this honestly, you MUST act politely until they treat you like shit first, you must tell them you'll do everything to make sure they dont have to absorb any consequences, you can also tell them that it's not like they sell cars and you stole a few of those, they sell AIR, and they ADVERTISE to get new clients SO they should be able to absorb the extra data transfer...

But first call and ask them to get the service back right away, explain you didnt get the bill sooner or whatever, remind them the bills have always been paid roght away, be nice with wthem and tell them that you're going to be administrating this matter immediately. Explain EVERYTHING, that its not your fault, etc... And stamp the shit out of the bill they will send, birth certificate, registered mail, ASK QUESTIONS, ask them to REBUTE ANYTHING YOU SAY THAT COULD BE WRONG OR NOT TRUE and wait...

Write your letter down, and when you're done, if you wish I can show you what I sent VIDEOTRON, so you can compare and learn / tweak / whatever if you're not sure what to say or how to say it or in what order...

Janick Paquette

Well they don't concider this a fraud because he didn't call when he lost his phone so his person is responsable for the debt, so they say.

Telus wants the person to pay the whole debt before they can reactivate the person's phone.

So even if he ADMINISTRATES the part that was used, it wouldn't change a thing for now! :/

Chip Douglas

Speaking of credit-cards, Tim Horton's i guess is doing people a 'favour' by letting CIBC use their name on their new credit-card. I think i'd like to get one, but i dont want to subjugate myself with CIBC with any loss-of-rights in any way.....what would be the best way for one to qualify their signature for getting a credit-card, Scott?

Pete Daoust

Satement: A monthly report sent to a debtor or bank depositor.

The BOTTOM part of that statement, is a Bill of Exchange with a DEBT attached to it, announcing that some books needs to get balanced

I can see the BENEFICIARY of that bill, which is TELUS I can see the DRAWER of that Bill, that has been scratched with a marker

I have NO IDEA who is the Drawee, that information is missing on that bill.

Someone have to buy that debt and PAY for it, unless there is another method to discharge that debt. TELUS should know if there's another method :D

Janick Paquette

Well the Drawer is: LIAM with the last name that was scratch which is VILLEMAIRE.

And my son, who administrates LIAM VILLEMAIRE already sent them the letter asking all the methods possible. And since they cut the service anyway, they are either doing this in bad faith, ignorance or fraud = illegally.

So, if I understand correctly, my son could administrate the bottom part of the statement, as it is a Bill of Exchange, by completing it and sending it to the BENEFICIARY to settle the DEBT.

with a letter explaining what he is doing.....

Stuart Stone

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/B-4/page-4.html#h-4

Bill of exchange

16. (1) A bill of exchange is an unconditional order in writing, addressed by one person to another, signed by the person giving it, requiring the person to whom it is addressed to pay, on demand or at a fixed or determinable future time, a sum certain in money to or to the order of a specified person or to bearer. Marginal note:Non-compliance with requisites

(2) An instrument that does not comply with the requirements of subsection (1), or that orders any act to be done in addition to the payment of money, is not, except as hereinafter provided, a bill. Marginal note:Unconditional order

(3) An order to pay out of a particular fund is not unconditional within the meaning of this section, except that an unqualified order to pay, coupled with (a) an indication of a particular fund out of which the drawee is to reimburse himself or a particular account to be debited with the amount, or (b) a statement of the transaction that gives rise to the bill, is unconditional.

From 16(3)(b), that thing looks like a Bill of Exchange that needs an accommodation party to complete it, making it into a check :-)

Janick Paquette

Scott, just to be clear here, you wrote:

"Yes. Otherwise it is a STATEMENT"

That was just to correct my wording but didn't mean you needed to get an Invoice/Bill to have the debt discharged, right?

Because you "liked" what Pete wrote, which was that the statement is also a Bill of Exchange.

Pete Daoust

The bottom portion of the statement is, when you receive it, an incomplete instrument, called remittance.

When you finish doing what needs to be done with this thing, it is transformed in a Bill of Exchange.

It's NOT a bill of exchange when you receive it, but IT IS a bill of exchange when you send it.

Pete Daoust

So far, I really think Hydro-Quebec saw these completed Bills of Exchange I have sent them, as GIFT, and I think these are literally CASH.

They just ignored ALL the notices I have included with these completed Bills of Exchange (cash) and kept them as GIFTS.....

This situation is somewhat very WEIRD to deal with, right now...

They are AVOIDING the subject, they just don't return them, and act like nothing never happened.....

Will Bed

You did keep copies of every single bill, so I guess you have all the proofs required to send the cops after whoever made a criminal decision at HQ ! That would make the news ! Ask someone to film the entire thing when you're with the cops !

Janick Paquette

Please correct me if I'm wrong!

In the definition of the Bill of Exchange, they write the third party as being a "Payee".

But "Beneficiary" is often used among us.

In English there is a distinction between the two. However in French both word = "Bénéficiaire".

Would tht be accurate?

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/bill+of+exchange

Janick Paquette

Pete, I,m just reading the definition again of the link I just posted above, and this sentence:

"writing by a party (maker or drawer) ordering another (payor) to pay a certain amount to a third party (payee). It is the same as a draft. "

... makes me think that the criminal charges are not to be aimed at HQ but to whom ever didn't OBEY the ORDERS.

Since the DRAWER is ORDERING the PAYOR, wouldn't it be correct to say that The Bank of Canada is the one you should be focusing on?

Even the guy from HQ told you to notify the Bank, didn't he?

Janick Paquette

Question: If I get a statement evey month from a Utility company, is it correct to say that in order to buy back that debt, I would need a BILL from them.

But if Statements are all they send... I will insist and they will ignore it and then, they will stop the service, right? :D

Pete Daoust

Janick, HQ are NOT accepting these completed Bill of Exchange.

I want them back....

They don't want to give them back....

I told them at least 7 times, send them back and I WILL PAY....they still don't want to send them back....

THEY HAVE SOLD THEM !!!!

Anibal Jose Baez

Here, the Comptroller of the State is the APPOINTED (trustee) to make sure public property, and public funds are spent within the LEGAL boundaries set. Is there such AGENCY in Quebec?

Being that HQ is a PUBLIC corporation, given PIERRE DAOUST is one of the SHAREHOLDER of BANK OF CANADA, and given that those BILLS are the PUBLIC PROPERTY, someone like a COMPTROLLER, has to answer about this.

Nothing you have not already thought of, but I am sharing what comes to mind.

Pete Daoust

So, to make a long story short....

PIERRE DAOUST owns Bank of Canada PIERRE DAOUST onws Hydro-Quebec

ME, I am the SOLE authorized Administrator of PIERRE DAOUST.

HQ sent some public debts to PIERRE DAOUST.

I can use PIERRE DAOUST's surety to settle these debts

I did asked HQ before doing it, no answer

I did it, HQ never refused and kept these instruments

2 years after, HQ took what PIERRE DAOUST owns, the ELECTRICITY.

I asked HQ to return these and I WILL PAY, if they don't accept them. HQ said NO.

HQ even sent an envelop to PIERRE DAOUST, pretending having put these BoEs in it, there was NO BOE in the envelop.

Of course I, as a good administrator, videotaped in front of witnesses, the opening of that envelop....

:D

Janick Paquette

http://www.finances.gouv.qc.ca/en/page.asp?sectn=2#cf

Sector - Comptroller of finance

Assume responsibility for government accounting and the integrity of the government accounting system. Satisfy himself of the reliability of the financing data entered in the government’s accounting system. See to it that the government’s accounting practices, principles and standards are satisfied. Prepare the public accounts and other financial reports of the government. Provides government departments, organizations and enterprises with advisory, support and training services on any matter within its jurisdiction.

Anibal Jose Baez

<<Sector - Comptroller of finance

Assume responsibility for government accounting and the integrity of the government accounting system. Satisfy himself of the reliability of the financing data entered in the government’s accounting system. See to it that the government’s accounting practices, principles and standards are satisfied. Prepare the public accounts and other financial reports of the government. Provides government departments, organizations and enterprises with advisory, support and training services on any matter within its jurisdiction.>>

Will Bed

Pete Daoust, I would think the Verificateur General could be the man... "at the service of the national assembly for a sound management of public funds"...

Pierre Daoust has an elected official at the national assembly, I'd hit the motherfucker see what he's got to say...

Will Bed

Maybe you coulsd also have PD hire a legal accountant... Not sure what the real name is... A good friend of mine just hired one to get QRA off his back... They were saying he owed them money, he go 200k back from the suckers... Maybe this kinda guy could give you some tips or help ?

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