Jun 06, 2014 8:41 PM

No, just send a REGISTERED mail letter asking them to disclose ALL methods available to you, to administrate this debt.

Tell them you know you can buy this debt and pay for it, but Pierre told me I could use the person, to whom you sent this debt, its SURETY to discharge this debt.

Tell them you want them to SHOW you HOW to do that.

Tell them that apparently, if I ask, you have the obligation to SHOW me ALL methods available.

Do not sign that letter.....just type...

By: Sole Authorized Administrator for MICHAEL ATKINS

(WHY WAIT SO LONG ? :( )

Give them 8 days to answer you

I'm pretty sure Tara already covered this in another thread. Scroll down to JJ Alexander's post on June 4th. "Swedish Massage Pumps ARE My Bag, Baby".

You can have this letter named: PEREMPTORY DEMAND FOR INFORMATION :D

HAHAHAHA!!! :D

Lol I'm gonna go for it Pete .... and the reason I waited so long was that I knew I had no agreement but was stuck in free dumb but I always felt like it wouldn't work so I never bothered but I'm very confident with the teachings of the admiral and his captain

No really, I'm not kidding. If you applied for a DRIVER'S LICENSE, then you DO have an agreement.

Hmm .... so I have lots of administrative duties to catch up on to put myself back in honor

So if it's the case, they will respond back to you with: YOU HAVE TO PAY, there is no such thing of using the person's surety to discharge this debt.....

That puts them in dishonor?

For not disclosing

Well, if they HAVE to, and they don't do it, I guess it does....

You also can go nuts with all this (like I did) ....you can tell them you are starting to discover all the fucking scam, and it makes you very mad..... :D

SINCE WHEN I AM PRESUMED ONE OF YOUR EMPLOYEE, and/or AGENT, and/or SLAVE ?

Shit, I had no idea I was doing this when I APPLIED for this fucking driver's license, I didn't even knew I had a fucking PERSON, I really believed I WAS that person !!!

(You see the point ?? :D )

I don't know about you Michael, but me, I discovered all this 2 years ago, at 46, and fuck, I was mad.... :D

Yes you've had my head spinning for 2 days now thinking about this

I'm trying not to get mad .... but it's a shitty scam of a deal

Why are you TRYING not to get mad ? :/

You were programmed to shut it up, obey, and stay shy.....

Trash this program, asap :P

Yep.... oh don't worry brother the pen is mightier than the sword .... the administrator is mightier than the slave

"I am trying not to get mad" fuck.....only this, makes me fucking mad :(

He he he I have a horrible temper and a habit of punching walls so I'm just enjoying the fact that I get to rock out as an administrator time to get off my brainwashed ass and figure this outv

Punching Walls ?? :-o ....I never had this kind of ideas :/

Well I don't like hitting folks so I hit inanimate objects makes me feel like a big man

For 2 second

I've been thinking about Tara's comments from the other day. Yes. I applied for a Drivers License when I was 16. But, it just came to my attention that I used a PERSON I happen to have to obtain it. So this has my head spinning a little. If I used the PERSON to and applied for a license, wouldn't the SURETY still lie with the owner of that thing? I mean....isn't the Security of the PERSON the PAYMENT to me, for me to use how I see fit?

I am not connecting all the dots here....

Ya that's how I was thinking too Chris. .... that I only became aware of these ramifications recently and have been trying to find remedy

Ok, when you hand out that driver's license and give it to the cops, you are admitting being an EMPLOYEE of the government......

So the best is to forget that driver's license at home....and when you get pulled over, you make SURE you are telling the cops that you are NOT surety, and you are not a government employee.......after, he can do what the fuck he wants, if he ask for a NAME, I say pierre, if he ask for ANYTHING ELSE.....

I say, Oh, you want the NAME of the person I happen to have in my pocket, the one that was created by the government 16 days after my birth, and the one that the government signed as SURETY for it.....right officer ?... :D

With a VIDEO, this shit will rock !!!! :D

What is he going to say ? ....NO ? :D

I will start with:

PIERRE DAOUST INSCRIPTION NUMBER 1196604XXXXXX SIN number 26X-XXX-XXX Administrative Office Address :D And will finish with, the SURETY that will DISCHARGE this DEBT you are creating, is in Bank of Canada :P

At that point, the Ambulance will arrive, and they will bring me by force to the closest hospital for crazies :D

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!....

The moral of this story, don't ever have this piece of fraud shit driver's license on you........file this thing in a drawer in the ADMINISTRATOR's office :D

Ok .... I'm still learning but this is all good stuff

So giving the license creates JOINDER. .... so it is difficult to operate with the same capacity I'm used to .... driving around my truxk pulling a camper.... even knowing how to administrate debt thru the SECURITY of the PERSON does not help when dealing with the thugs. .... even after I RESIGN I'm still at the mercy of those thugs .....

So giving the license creates JOINDER: YES

so it is difficult to operate with the same capacity I'm used to driving around my truxk pulling a camper.... YES

even knowing how to administrate debt thru the SECURITY of the PERSON does not help when dealing with the thugs. ....NO

even after I RESIGN I'm still at the mercy of those thugs .....YES

Welcome in REALITY !! :D

(You can trade the truck for a tank though, that could help :/ )

Or trade the camper for a floating camper ! :D

:P

And get the floating camper registered in NIGERIA, under the AQUILAE jurisdiction......then you'll be a powerful CAPTAIN :D

Dealing in AMERICAN money.

Sorry....American dollars

It's TOTALLY LIKE THAT!

My wife is stuck in the fear ...... she thinks I'm not ready part of me is infected with the fear and agrees with her ..... despite having put up a long argument ..... I'm very much considering paying this bill ...... Fuck Fuck fu keys ..... anyways I think I should learn the process not do it out of panic .....

Good Idea :D

Chicken :-P

Put all assets in a corporate trustee name... next time :D

Good idea. Keep reading. You are on the right path.

Cmon Pete this is a big step ..... I still barely have a spoonful of knowledge here ..... free dumb is hard to erase

Cara Small , Ceit Butler reiterates: "No really, I'm not kidding. If you applied for a DRIVER'S LICENSE, then you DO have an agreement.

Yes I see how the agreement was created..... by me being too stupid to know any better..... I created joinder by not knowing what was going on and by thinking I was the PERSON and by acting as that PERSON. ....

Not too stupid, but too IGNORANT... ;)

A little from column a and a lot from column b

So I'm stupid and too ignorant you and my wife might be in agreement

You are NOT fucking stupid ?

You are PROGRAMMED to stay IGNORANT......that may make you look a little bit stupid, but it's a LIE, don't fall for it.... :P

He he he those were sarcastic remarks ....... it's amazing how easily humans are programmed the ignorant program is so potent it will even lash out at you if you challenge it to much .... catch phrases and words designed to invoke an emotional reaction oh you're just one of those conspiracy guys .....

Sorry my grammar is so poor

Yes, your grammar sucks....Illiterate Ignorant :P

:D

http://www.alternet.org/education/results-are-america-dumb-and-road-getting-dumber

so im now home and looking at the notice of lien. Its a bill of any type. I am wondering if i should ask for one similar to the other thread in here. Ask for 2 pieces of ID to avoid fraud and for a proper bill

oops

not a bill ****

shouldnt there be a way to verify the lien aLS0?? no numbers or manner i can find.

So, is it a "NOTICE" of Lien OR is it an actual "Lien"?

Notice of Lien in bold under lined at the top no account numbers anywherer

just information about the vehicle

I am going to respond via registered letter today .... I am going to ask for a proper bill and for two pieces of ID

Ill post the draft shortly

Plan is to keep it simple...

TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN.

On Thursday, June 5th 2014. A letter was received via Registered mail addressed to MICHAEL VERNON ATKINS. The letter in question was lacking in information. The letter referred to an outstanding debt. I am always make good with promises to pay, however I am lacking information in which to made payment. I require a proper BILL to make payment. I also require 2 valid forms of ID to prove there is no fraud occurring. Also I REQUIRE disclosure of all forms of payment so that I might ADMINISTRATE and this debt. You have 8 business days from the mail of this letter to provide this information.

oh man thas a shit stain

Michael Atkins, if you are not ready, you don't have to do this. Just pay the damn 900 bucks. You have been here just for 2 months. There is no deadline for learning.

You may still posses your car, even if a lien it's in place. Just keep receipt of your payment/s, and when you finish paying the $900, you instruct for the lien to be lifted.

This group can help, but in 2 months we can't make "miracles." Keep reading. If you do that, you will start asking yourself the right questions.

Also, if you cannot improve someone's notice, why change it to make it worse? :/

It's not a bill tho..... right and I'm planning to pay it's just not a bill .....

Well, do you know what a BILL is?

I know that what they sent is not a bill....

Most must live with the reality that it's just to late, and/or just do not have what it takes, to break free from the programing.

The issue I have with the notice is there is no itemized list of charges and the charges are triple of the fines I owe

So send a fucking notice requesting a BILL. What is so difficult about it? You even have templates/notices on requesting a bill all over this group.

Ya I'm searching thru right now about to draft....

Hey, CITY of NOWHERE, I need a BILL, so I can ADMINISTRATE that debt.....

Extremely sophisticated, as you can see :D

Thx Pete