Jun 02, 2014 8:35 PM

So as the Sole Authorized Administrator for the name should I not be able to say no to being taxed..... can't I refuse that contract

Or could I file notice to cra to release the funds back

These companies want no problems with CRA, so to get the tax exemption, you have to apply to CRA. These fucking unions could really help here if they would just wake the fuck up and work for hire, no tax. But, they too, are afraid of CRA, so you pay dues for what? I know about unions, I used to be in one, so no, I don't need the lecture, please. You signed up to the union and their rules and conditions, and the job referral to their rules and conditions, so unless you restricted your signature, you are as they say, owned. Treaty card will not trump your compliant signature on a contract with the union or an employer. (Just my thoughts.) Maybe there is some way THROUGH CRA to get all that money back? I'm not sure.

I approached the union and was told that it would be fine to claim tax exemption .....

But like you stated they are so piss scared of cra

I think the contractor that hires thru the union is trying to get some kind of tax break incentive or some other such deal

Threaten to charge the Union with income tax fraud :D

I was working on the Trans Canada Pipelines pumping stations for one summer. Long story short, contractor fucked up with payroll somehow. Pipeline wielders, (they are a closed door union) refused to strike an arc until they were paid what ever it was. Trucks were flying back and forth to town that morning and around noon, arc's were flashing again. Now, if they took that stance with CRA as a group of qualified tradesmen and told companies that they work for hire only, NO DEDUCTIONS, and did not work like they did at the pumping station, CRA would be a long faded nightmare today.

My union was flying cocaine across the states if memory serves. It was definitely something to do with cocaine. Shysters, all of them.

Your correct about the solidarity..... however everyone is so pathetically brain washed they cannot pick up there slack jaws long enough to engage there brains before cracking another and tossing on the football game

Hey Scott couldn't I do the same with the accountant the contractor uses??

Today I filled out my pre employment package ..... I put a stroke thru the tax page and wrote on the top tax exemption under Indian act and then wrote my treaty number

Hi Michael, I work for a union as well. Not one member will stand up against the CRA, in fact they hope I get destroyed by them. I don't fear these shit stains at all and tell them they are cowards for allowing their value to be used to kill people over seas and destroy their true potential here at home. A few have asked me how to avoid taxes and when I ask the simple question "what is money" or " this note is legal tender" what does that mean, they give a stupid answer. When I tell them money is a promise to pay and not money at all they loose interest. The union members in my local are conditioned to be wage slaves, they think $40 bucks an hr too good a wage to rock the boat. When I have had enough of the abuse and choose to leave there will be a few invoices served on the executive branch of my local. The union just took in 200 more member over the last 2 years, not because we have so much work we can't fill the call sheet, nope local # 1 told our local to get membership numbers up as they needed the revenue from dues. So now we have these 200 members under contract not to work for the competition who don't make the call sheet and have to pay 400 every quarter to maintain good standing. It was a revenue scam, the coffers were empty and the needed new members to top it up. These poor kids are really fucked, they get no work but hope to one day move to a position where they might make a call or 2 a week. I truly hate these people and will one day set the record straight via invoice for damages.

Pfft... I wouldn't get out of bed for 40 bucks an hour. :D

So David have you had success working for a contractor tax exempt?

Quit the JOB ....problem fixed :P

I'm still working on the logistics of keeping my family alive without the money of account from these jobs

I'm thinking if I went incorporated I could just work as a private contractor ..... then when CRA asked for there taxes at year end I would just ask for a certified copy of the legislation requiring me to pay taxes

JOB = Just Over Broke

I know that being a debt slave is not ideal, but until we are able to step out of that, is there anything that we need to be aware of that could potentially effect our present job status? My thinking (right or wrong?) is that it would not, but from an intent and consistency perspective, finding our value and no longer being a wage slave is the way to go?

Why not call CRA and ask them HOW can you have your TIME (Money) back, since, as the sole authorized administrator for the person, you've made a decision on NOT buying public debt, ask them, by what authority can they make you PAY for something you don't want to buy ?

I don't think dealing this with the employer is the way to go....

Don't call, write to them :D

If they bring this fucking pseudo-social-contract shit, ask for a signed copy of it :P

Thx Pete that sounds like a great plan

Scott Duncan: Threaten to charge the Union with income tax fraud :D

I have used the following approach with the Australian Tax Office:

'I am more than willing to fulfill any obligations I may have (removes controversy).

I take my duties very seriously and wish to carry them out honourably, with complete honesty and integrity.

I wish for any and all calculations to be completed correctly and accurately.

So that I may complete my duties AND may confidently sign the declaration, which threatens serious penalties if not completed correctly, I require the following information from you:

Please direct me to the specific section in the relevant Act, which defines the term 'income' as I am unable to locate it myself. I am contacting you, the Deputy Commissioner for Taxation, as you appear to be the expert in this matter, so it should be simple for you to direct me appropriately.

Once I have a specific definition for the term 'income' from the legislation, then I will be more than willing to complete the forms and sign the declaration.'

Tick tock (jeopardy music): 2 years and no reply...and no forms completed by me.

Pose a similar question to the union, stating that you are more than willing to pay 'income' tax, once the definition of 'income' has been established from the legislation.

Until then, you deny the union the right for them to collect on your behalf, tax on something which has yet to be defined....once you have notified them if they continue to collect, then sure, threaten them with income tax fraud.

(For entertainment purposes only ;-) )

What's your domain of expertise, Michael Atkins ?

I'm a welder and a special effects prop maker

I could totally run a cash mobile welding business

I'm just in the middle of my apprenticeship right now .... got one more level to complete