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Non.

I understand that you are a proud Québécois, but the people here have nothing but contempt for you because of decades of transfer payments and NONE OF YOU understanding what Quebec sovereignty means. None of you know who Russell Rogers Smith is, and you're too proud and arrogant to teach. Just go away and be Retardier somewhere else.

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May 12, 2014 2:25 PM

Eamonn O Brien

There was a thread started by "Maximus Legis" regarding discharging of public debt in which I was posting about my ongoing dealing with the Waste Management Company I use, Panda...

The thread and Maximus seem to have left Facebook...

So I thought I'd re-post it here...

I received an invoice for x amount from Panda with a number of remittances (instructions on how to pay a debt).

I replied asking the company to confirm that they had supplied all/every remittance.

They replied with a letter re-stating the previously supplied remittances and also included "bank transfer" which had been omitted originally.

So I then replied asking for a bill...

*An invoice outlines the cost of goods/services. *A bill informs the PERSON that they are in debt for the cost amount of goods/services.

They have replied by issuing a copy of the original invoice.

So, should I write back requesting a bill again and inform them of administrative fees they will incur should they respond with anything but a bill?

Cheers for any comments...

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Eamonn O Brien

Sorry bout the delay. I had a disagreement with the printer/scanner. It has been de-comissioned :/

I've highlighted the Invoice date... I think they've just sent back the copy I sent them with my first request for remittances...

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Eamonn O Brien

hang on... When I posted about this first I said I was sent an invoice with remittances and payment methods... You said I need a BILL... This is exactly what I got the first time around... An invoice. I thought the 2 were different...?

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Eamonn O Brien

When I first got the original invoice I asked, should I just stick a page to the back, authorise it and send it back... I was told to ask them for a bill...

So I was correct with my first instinct... Just authorise it and return...

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Eamonn O Brien

Uncertainty is a fucker though... Is it Bills of Exchange Act that outlines refusal of payment is discharge or is it a maxim?

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Eamonn O Brien

(b) If tender of payment of an obligation to pay an instrument is made to a person entitled to enforce the instrument and the tender is refused, there is discharge, to the extent of the amount of the tender, of the obligation of an indorser or accommodation party having a right of recourse with respect to the obligation to which the tender relates.

That's from the U.C.C...

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Pete Daoust

In civil law, the bill of exchange is strictly an abstract document, which means that the obligations arising from the document are unconditional and cannot be connected with obligations from other documents. So, under article 26 of the Geneva Uniform Law, the acceptance of a bill of exchange is unconditional. Under common law, the obligation from a bill of exchange can be made subject to performance of another obligation. Under Geneva Uniform Law a bill of exchange can be issued on order only, while under common law a bill of exchange can be issued on bearer.

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Eamonn O Brien

Leigh OftheHouseof Collins this is the thread about the private waste company that I dealt with... The original thread in which we discussed the fact that they are a private company and that I set up the account with them disappeared from the group for whatever reason I dunno...

Howard Posehn

From March 2013: Maximus Legis posted in THE TENDER FOR LAW Thoughts ? Maximus Legis 7:16am Mar 8 Thoughts ? http://www.facebook.com/transmittingutility/posts/499800030083028 www.facebook.com Was this the post?

Eamonn O Brien

Panda are back! :D

Despite my completion of their bill and instructing them on presentment to central bank for payment they refused it and sent it back. So I sent notice that they should consider the matter closed as payment refused discharges any debt... That was back on May 22nd...

They phoned yesterday (they've been sending texts every month since) I told them I sent payment and they refused it. The guy asked was it a cheque or...? I said it was a completed bill of exchange and that they should contact me in writing rather than over the phone...

So they issued the SAME bill again today... Dated 15/4/2014...

Does the fact that I told them to contact me in writing open their claim back up now? Did I enter a new contract over the phone?

Or should I just send it back with this letter?

Eamonn O Brien

Should I reply at all? They received notice to consider the matter closed...

If I look at it like... They wanted money, I offered, they refused, I said ok then piss off and now they want it again...

I think I could shorten the letter right down to

"Panda refused the payment when it was offered. Consider this matter closed"

Basically the notice again... I dunno... They haven't stopped the service anyway so it's obviously just for their own profit...

Pete Daoust

In other words, books needs to be balanced at zero.......the credit you'll create through a Bill of Exchange, need to reach a DEBIT somehow, and right now. That's why Scott Duncan says, you need money (credit) when you spend it... :D

(I think) :)

Age Thomson

ACCOUNTABLE for the credit you create..... hrmmm

I wonder when that is, that you will be held accountable, or is that to say that you must always be running balanced books so that you are ready to be accountable at any time....

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