Apr 25, 2014 2:26 PM

This question would be best answered by Dean Clifford.

Look into the Notice of Mistake. Mans way of saying fuc@@ou I am not surety for that name.

Deans in jail. He accepted surety for the name via his actions and conduct but did he a4v the original charging instrument?

What/Who is the CIC guys ? :(

Yeah I've been advised of the nom and I like that method. I'm just trying to comprehend a few things tho. Why is one way better than the other?

Creditors in commerce. Brandon Adams and Gorda Hall, jack smith...

I've learned a lot from their workshops but I've still got a few questions. Some things I see from you guys are slightly different and just wanted to make sure I comprehend what's going on...that's all.

Anything to do with Dean's ordeal is tightly guarded by his core cluster.

What CHARGES are you talking about ? ... :/

The easiest way is the best. If it's hard, you are doing it wrong. Notice of Mistake, one shot application!

Any charge. If my person has been charged with a speeding ticket for instance. They want someone to be surety and settle the debt right?

The cic guys talk about appearing as the accommodation party for the defendant to settle it's debt. They accept surety and agree to settle the debt on the condition that they be presented with the charging instrument.

I do administrate traffic tickets from the confort of my office......why need to go to court for those ? :/

These are NOT criminal charges......right ? :)

I see your point and agree that avoiding court is the best choice. I'm just trying to comprehend things a little better.

I am not AVOIDING court, I just don't need it, for traffic tickets

The only reason I see, to go to court, is if I am being dragged there by force......so far, I don't see any other reasons :/

Well depends. I've been told there was a criminal action against my person for minor traffic charges before.

OK let's go with that. You've been taken their by force. Now what? A4v or refuse for cause? Are you surety or not?

It all comes down to what you think is right. Can you stand toe to toe in a court, and better yet, why? So many say to go to court but is it really what you want. I thought that way in the beginning but soon found out that court was not for me and that a Notice of Mistake pisses them off more than anything you say or do in court ever could short of a bullet.

"Mathew Wolfe OK let's go with that. You've been taken their by force. Now what? A4v or refuse for cause? Are you surety or not?" Gordon Hall will always demand to see a bonafide Claim. Scott Duncan has said over and over, "By what authority do you attach a name derived from a public document to me?" I like, "Which one of you sorry assed butt heads is surety for this name here today?"

:D

Pete, some potato wrote REFUSED on the Citation to Mathew.

The Instrument was damaged

WOW !!! :D

Seriously ? :/

Yeah I never was given the opportunity to refuse it... anyway I'm just trying to make sure I comprehend things. I appreciate your time guys.

Was this refused to sign?

Can you scan this and put it here ?

If I have done anything to make you think I am a "smart dude", that would be a mistake, please forgive me

If you look at the bottom on the signature line where the person is supposed to promise to appear, he wrote refused. He wrote this ticket while I was in jail then threw it in with my property.

Oh :-o Is that something LEGAL to do ? :/

Yes. It's a speeding ticket.

I think whoever is MATHEW WOLFE can only put shit on that line

They want my person to fund their democracy.

Yeah so the officer MUST be surety then. It sure as shit wasn't me. I was in jail at the time.

I don't know....could have been any potato really

Why did they put you in jail for speeding?

True. I didn't see who signed it.

They put me in jail for a no front license plate and a few other bs charges. None if which are arrestable offense

I wouldn't answer their questions and asked if I had a 5th amendment right to remain silent and would anything I sat be used against me. That's when the cuffs went on. They wanted to prove a point to me. Set an example that we only accept debtor slaves in this town.

So anyway I think what they think justifies my arrest is the refused on the signature line. They take you to jail here if you won't promise to appear. They take you in front of the judge right then, but I never saw a judge. They held me for ransom until my wife paid their ransom. I wasn't a creditor and didn't know any of this shit then so I signed everything under duress so they would let me out of jail. They stole my truck to. It was on private property and they impounded it. So I'm treating this ticket separately from the arrest. How I handle this arrest is still on the table but I need to handle this ticket so my person doesn't lose its permission to drive. It has a cdl and a job and the like.

Did a BOND CLERK show up to take the ransom payment?

I don't know. My wife paid the ransom when I was in jail. I didn't even know she was bailin me out

Scott Duncan...did his wife sign as the party with SURETY to CLAIM her PROPERTY?

No Chris Evan, she acted as a good wife, she brought her OWNER'S money to free her OWNER :D

I am reading this, and I am trying to figure out, WHERE is the injured party in all this huge mess :D

Am I her owner?

Coverture....as soon as this blows over, you should read this group

There is no injured party.

Are you two married ?

His wife works in a BANK!!! :-D

We are. Went it the court to get a common law marriage....then realized it's the same fucking thing. It's permission from the state to be wed.

I see a lot of reading in Mathew's future! :-D

What else is new! I read all the time. Now I know WHAT to read!

What is that?

For starters the information you and Jesse gave me.

Yeah...and we got that HERE.

Looks like I'm gonna spend a little .ore time in this group and a little less in that Sui juris group!

I remember the original Sui Juris group. David Merril and the boys.

Idk maybe. This one is rob Johnsons group.

It helped me learn the basics.

David Merril was one of the main posters with good clubhouse dissection ability and was quite knowledgeable on law. He's over somewhere else with Michael Joseph(?) now. My road, after many bumps, led here. I'm so happy!

Yeah me too. Being the creditor just makes more sense.

I like things simple. The truth is simple. I get that here, a lot!

Fuck, I received this email :D

How are you today, I am waiting for you to provide your name address, to enable us transfer your US$2.000.000.00 to you

you will pay $115 to enable lawyer sign your files Mrs. Email: ideal68511@yahoo.co.jp

Tell them, sorry, I'm on vacation. Lots of cool chicks here, too! Hellooo's

never reply back to any of those. it proves your email is a valid acct. and you'll get hundreds more...

Being a creditor in commerce requires discipline, a TON OF IT. You need to know this shit inside and out, enough to know - ONLY ASK QUESTIONS and NEVER ANSWER A QUESTION from ANYONE in the public jurisdiction. Why is it that "gurus" such as Gordon Hall, Tim Turner and Dean Clifford all ended up in jail? They failed the test at SOME level and became the trustees; SURETY was pinned to them by way of something they said or an action they did - PLAIN AND SIMPLE. Let's remember these guys are attempting to AWAKEN the public and have HUGE targets on their backs; THERE IS NO room for error if you decide to wear those shoes. You can AFV or administrate ANY process but if you ACT like a debtor, you HAVE NO CHANCE in ANY success. The public has attacked Brandon Adams many times, unsuccessfully, he's as solid as they get; that's why he's NOT in jail and STILL continues to teach - same goes for Winston Shrout. These 2 guys are the ONLY "teachers" I've come across who have stood the "test", besides maybe Scott, who appears to keep a low profile in terms of "teaching". I don't call what Menard does "teaching". Success in ANY administrative process is not in the paperwork, it is in the intent, conviction, understanding and comunication, that's why the NOM is FUCKING USELESS unless you truly understand it and what it does in regards to the legal trust. Do you think Scott Duncan or Brandon Adams need the NOM filed to get the point accross in some fucking court case they might happen to be dragged into? I don't fucking think so!

Peace

Who's Brandon Adams ?

a guru...one of the Creditors in Commerce guys. Although he got roughed up recently

Ho... :-\

CIC. isn't that a little group of people that charges money to a bunch of free-bumbrers that ALL want "something for nothing"? Oh yeah, those guys.

Be a creditor, just pay a $3000USD seminar, and a $19.99 monthly subscription, and you'll be all set. Hahaha! FREE-DUMB!

Since I am NOT the disciplined type of guy, can I ask Steeve Contributing Beneficiary, Being a creditor in commerce requires discipline, a TON OF IT......can you name me ONE of that ton of disciplines I have to acquire ? Please... :(

I think Pete, as a creditor in commerce, you have to go to the gym at least twice a day. I can't take it. A lot of discipline involved.

I think, the ONLY thing I need to do, is tell the truth.... :/

If I tell lies, I'll definitely will hear about it :D

The truth MIGHT set you free Pete - question is, who's truth are we speaking of? Some people's truths I'd steer away from...

who's truth are we speaking of? : The only one that exist ! :/ , not mine, not yours, but THE truth.....the REALITY, which sometimes, I don't like, and sometimes I like......

Some people's lies, I'd steer away from...but if it's the truth....no matter who says it, it's still the truth ? ...no ? :/

I am either a FREE man, or a SLAVE.....no ?? :(

Grey zones are for LAWYERS, I am NOT one of them, so it's either BLACK or WHITE, I don't accept anything else, and I am very disciplined about that :D

Pete, if not acting completely under a private trust, the SOLE AUTHORIZED ADMINISTRATOR is the other most reasonable position to assume.

If all it's surety, and accounting, as the SOLE AUTHORIZED ADMINISTRATOR: we can't be surety, we have PROOF of who is surety, we know were the surety is, we know what to give in consideration to settle the accounting, we know how to give instructions via notices to administrate all this.

Would they come out, and "show us the chains"? :D

I really want to see what I'm getting in response for my first administration stuff. :D

Shit-stains never stop coming. Nobody bothers to read back.

new people might not know they can/duty look back [DEW tt4l homework].