Nov 25, 2013 1:27 AM

There are two birth certificates, the STATE BIRTH CERTIFICATE and the CERTIFICATE OF BIRTH, We become the vessel-trustee on the STATE BIRTH CERTIFICATE and the STATE becomes the vessel-trustee on the CERTIFICATE OF BIRTH. the SMITH and the JOHN DOE SMITH have different "Dates of Birth" ... The spoken name: "John Doe SMITH" and "JOHN DOE SMITH" sound the same when spoken, but have different Dates of Birth in order to identify what "Trust" you are referring to. I Think the Date is where people are coming unstuck ... Just a thought.