Nov 02, 2013 4:42 AM

You have properties Cara Small Atherton ? :/

You want to settle accounts that you don,t understand the nature and causes ? :/

We did not receive anything back: When did you sent that ? :D

So now we have received 2 statements. One states previous balance and payment received. The other states a previous balance and "my" home owner grant has been denied because it was not signed. I am thinking I need to send back these statements corrected as I have documentation that directs them to settle the account, not apply payment to it. They accepted our offer and cashed the cheque. And yes I wish the account to be settled Pete, otherwise I would have not said so. No I don't understand the nature and cause, however, I know that, should the account remain unsettled, we will have a problem. I am not looking to cause a problem. My intention is to not contract. Scott, is the "homeowner grant" funded by others? Nothing they "give" me was theirs in the first place, so where does this "grant" come from? Then I have an unsigned letter from some one named "Compliance Analyst". (ANALyst hehe) In this letter is the statement "The value of the grant is considered an outstanding tax and is subject to penalty if not claimed by the due date. Unfortunately the penalty is legislated and can not be waived." It is addressed to homeowner's. I understand this is referring to the persons. I don't understand how one is to settle this without accepting that WE are the liable party. Is it simply that I need to study the BoE more and learn how to discharge the person's debt? So sorry for being so confused about commerce.

Do you have a Bill of Exchange in front of you Cara ?

In my understanding of a bill of exchange, no. There is no signature.

LOL.....you can put one on it if you want :D ....

But if, from what you understand, that thing is NOT a Bill of Exchange, I won't be able to HELP you with it.......bu if EVER you need help with a Bill of Exchange, I can help you with it :)

LOL. If I was to put a signature on it would it then be a bill of exchange?

It would certainly become something else....like a REMITTANCE, or some shit like that :D

Right. So how to handle it without becoming a liable party is what I need to know.

Is there a DEBT hooked to that piece of paper ?

When yoy say, you don't want to be liable for it, do you mean you don't want to be SURETY for it ?

The funny part that I noticed was that there is 0.00 in the debt column and there is now 381.22 in the credit column. The final column is a balance.

The balance is positive.

OK, Cara, I don't really follow here.....is there a DEBT on it..Yes or No :/

No

Ha...ok, good.. :D

So what's the point exactly ? :D

I must be missing the point again :( forget about it Cara, and sorry about my intervention in this thread......

It isn't called a debt. It is called a balance. That is all. I don't think you are missing the point. I think I don't understand what you are asking.

Well, if I don't understand what my questions are, I have no other options than to admint that I am COMPLETELY missing the point, no worries Cara, that is not the first time it's happening :D

In a very little box on the "tear here" portion of the statement is "amount due on or before: Oct 31 2013 274.35; Nov 30 2013 288.07"

To me, a balance, is an amount in excess, like when a customer gives a deposite on some stuff they want to buy, they have to clear the balance when they come back to pick up that stuff... :D

OH....SO THERE ARE DEBTS ON THAT THING ? :/

Yes. That is why I find the statement so fucking confusing.

:(

There is two bill of exchange in the same envelop ? :D .....you lucky girl !!! :D

You want to know HOW I would administrate this ? :D

No. I was sent three envelopes separately. 2 were statements. Yes please.

I would make photo copies of EVERYTHING, recto verso, and send these photo copies to them, with a very simple short and sweet letter.

Hi,

I am the SOLE authorized administrator for the person named CARA.....

I wish to administrate these DEBTS correctly, so I am ASKING "YOU", to reveal and/or disclose, ALL methods available to me, as the Sole Administrator, to discharge these and/or that debt.

You have 30 days (or what ever you choose) to answer me

Thanks

BY:_________________________________ Sole authorized Administrator for CARA........26X-XXX-XXX ( or the BC inscription number)

They should get back to you, with ALL methods available :D

And then you pick the one that fits with you...

Why would you keep the original? Ya so sure they will.

I am NOT sure of NOTHING about what they will do, but I am sure of one thing though, you duty, as the Sole Authorized Administrator is done, to this point... :P

I would keep the Original, because these Originals were sent to the PERSON I have in my pocket....

Ever played tennis Cara ? :D

Yup. But I don't know the point system.

There is a REFERIES to take care of that shit......your "duty" is to smash the ball back to this PERSON the other side of the net......

I have always thought to keep the original is accepting.

Never to late to change your thoughts :D

And you will EVENTUALLY accept them, but not AS the person, but FOR the person....

It would seem (keeping to the tennis analogy) that keeping the ball they served means you want it. Sending them a different ball back would be weird.

True. I change all thoughts when presented with conflicting evidence.

LOL....ok, FORGET about the tennis analogy :(

Describe me who you are Cara, but in 9 words, not more than 9 words :D

I am ME.

:(

OK, let's presume and/or assume that your answer would have been:

" I am a Woman and I have a PERSON "

Just for the fun of it......

Now, these document were sent to WHO ?

I am woman too. Yes. The statements were sent to the person I have.

OK, so your duty is to ADMINISTRATE these things......so by doing what I suggest, you start the ADMINISTRATION process :)

And I have good reasons to believe that you will be writing the LAW on your way...:D

Interesting thought, Cara.....have you ever actually SEEN 'the law' that says you have to 'pay' property-taxes?...if they feel that strongly about it, then im sure they'd be MORE than willing to be transparent with you and provide it for'ya- right?

Signed, NOTICE FOR FULL-DISCLOSURE ;)

You don't have to PAY property taxes, or scholar taxes or income taxes..... these bills are sent to the person you happen to have in your pocket, not you, stop taking this on you, it has nothing to do with you....

If the cheque was cashed, then they agreed.

That's your proof.

THAT's what I told Tom!

And Tom told Scott :-\

Why would Tom HAVE to. Scott knows.

So I have written (tendered) my law. Now are they just playing stupid? Must I actually inform them?

:-D

There's a reason why this is at the very BOTTOM of the Act...but, im sure they KNOW that ;)

Collection of debt by set-off

Definitions

43. (1) In this section,

“Crown” includes any agency of the Crown; (“Couronne”)

“overpayment” means a payment of money to which the recipient is not entitled at the time of the payment or to which the recipient ceases to be entitled at any time after the payment. (“paiement en trop”) R.S.O. 1990, c. F.12, s. 43 (1); 2006, c. 33, Sched. J, s. 4 (1).

Set-off

(2) If, in the opinion of the Minister of Finance, a person is indebted to the Crown or the Crown in right of Canada in any specific sum of money or has received an overpayment of a specified sum from the Crown, the Minister of Finance may,

(a) retain by way of deduction or set-off, out of any money that is due and payable by the Crown in right of Ontario to such person, such sum as the Minister of Finance sees fit in the circumstances; and

(b) pay such sum to such public officer as the Minister of Finance thinks appropriate to receive it.

http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/statutes/english/elaws_statutes_90f12_e.htm#BK98

It seems to be the controversy/confusion step Cara Atherton....they are good at it, but if you handle that step good, there won't be much left than the truth....

Send them a copy of cheque cashed and copy of original notice with the original statements intact is what I am thinking to do. Now, what to say? If anything.

Say what's true ? :-\

Dear Mr so and so, Since you are proving to be a bunch of double dipping sneaky cunts.........

If the check was cashed, then they agree, seems to be the truth, maybe this is what needs to be focused on ?

Fuck the "Dear" :-D

I thought the truth I posted was WAY more interesting, but you may have a point.

Mr. so-and-so - hi, how are you?

Let me first just start-off by saying that i do not wish to create controversy as i wish to remain in peace-and-honour, and, in a NON-adverse manner. ;)

FUCK that. I am going up one side and down the other!

I think this is where ChiefRock would say- "Oh, so you wanna argue?"

Hehe. Unfortunately I was born arguing. But no. I do know how to stay in honor. I was just being me for a moment there.

I try to make sure what I write is true.....if I am not sure, I start with: "you give me all the good reasons to believe that blabla.....I don't accuse no one.....sharp, precise, to the point and no emotional bullshit :-D

Yes, the only time belief serves any purpose.

Belief is toxic, and only serves to poison your intellegence ;)

I think sharing a little side story here may be appropriate; One day I was shovelling shit, because I actually like to, and as I was transporting a wheelbarrow full of it out of the pasture the dogs started barking up the driveway. A few seconds later a car pulled up that I did not recognize. We have bails of old hay blocking part of the driveway for target practice, so the vehicle stopped there and I approached as the stranger exited his vehicle. With clipboard in hand he began by introducing himself, "I am so and so with property assessment BC and.." To which I interrupted, "Oh, No thank you. Good bye." He tried to say something else along the lines "So I can assume nothing has changed..." "You may assume nothing. Now good bye." He started on about how everyone has to pay property tax to which I responded, "No thank you. Good bye." He then grabbed his camera and took a photo (I say took because I would have never given him one) while kind of asking for my permission in a round about way. I said, "You are going to have to pay for any photos." He then jumped into his car and backed the 1/4 km out of the driveway. He then informed the neighbor that, "They're kind of scary down that driveway." He was easily one and a half my size. Maybe it was the bails of hay that scared him.