Oct 28, 2013 6:11 PM

Funny INTENT you have there !! :/

Here is my suggestion: CLOSE YOUR EYES when you pass by this TOY :D

I hope you don't consider this suggestion as DUST :P

When you sign the front for the loan, sign the back too and take a picture of it with your phone. Or have them give you a copy.

Why ? :/

You endorse the private side... same as your BILLS OF EXCHANGE, ****HELLOS*****

OK, but for WHAT purpose ?

:p

Stealing a truck ? :D

to pay for it

The loan papers... they do want your SIGNATURE, correct? To create the loan?

OK, but WHO will REALLY pay for that brand spanking new pick-up truck for which I can't even afford in the first place :D

Bank of Canada will create a brand spanking new debt for that piece of metal, and then on WHO's books that debt will end up on ?

I am against EXTORTION......both ways :P

Debt creation for greed works on both ways....and my INTENT is to stay away from it ALL THE WAYS.... :D

Anyway........ Think about what Scott Duncan says about Robert Menard.....

If I am thinking wrong, PLEASE tell me .....please, please please (seriously :( )

You create the debt by signing the loan... negotiable instruments includes "promissory notes"

That's what I am saying Beverly Girl-Brain Braaksma, you create a DEBT, by signing a LOAN, for some shit you can't afford in the first place, and your INTENT is to end up with a PIECE of crap and get FREE ride.....which has NOTHING to do with Respect, Honor, integrity and Dignity :P

Sure but what if you need a decent vehicle to get to work, instead of the piece of shit that is falling apart that you drive already?

and you give them $5000 down?

if you need a decent vehicle to get to work and you can't afford one, I suggest to quit your "JOB" :D

Oh HELL... That sure helps Pete... :/

And you can find decent vehicule these days for $199.00 a month....

Sure.. and you would get the bill and "administrate" it anyways...

Of course it helps Beverly Girl-Brain Braaksma.....THINK ABOUT IT :D

I prefer to pay cash... hate payments

Pete, you are getting really "photoshop happy" :D

Fuck do I love this meme creation shit :D

Obviously YOUR JOB... is kinda boring (fugggsa petite chien)

It's "petite chienne" just saying, and I don't HAVE a "JOB" :P

gotcha

Just to conclude :D

You discharged UNwanted debts

You KILL wanted debts

Not the opposite, If you want a brand spanking new pick up truck, and don't want to pay for it :P , learn Adam Thomas method.

its no different

Oh fuck YES it is.......

You're on your own here

How's that ? :/

What do you mean Beverly Girl-Brain Braaksma ? :/

I am not going to argue with you...

Why do you ALWAYS think I am ARGUING with you ? :/

OK, so let's be it, I am on my own,

Blocked :P

I will be REALLY on my own if I keep blocking members at this pace :D

In the deep deep deep MINORITY :D

Why are you blocking members Pete Daoust

Because they want me to be ON MY OWN :(

Hmmm...I think that was a figure of speech? Meaning...the discussion is over....

I speak French and English, I have not learned Figure of Speech language so far.....and EVERYONE knows that :)

Well, I read your posts very carefully, and more than once! I know a little French...and YOUR puns are HILARIOUS.

AND... Pete Daoust FULL OF INFORMATION!

No, she just don't want to go further when she knows I am right and she is wrong, it seems to offend her, like it should not happen or something like that......so I figure, blocking her would be the best thing to do, for her..... :D

Geoffrey Sandor Walker, I can fix that easy for you if you want :D

Oh boy!

It's been like that for several months Geoffrey Sandor Walker, it's a done deal now, too late :(

Why you say that Sky Kittycat, I can't see her and she can't see me, thats all :/

Oh okay Pierre...wasn't sure. I don't spend much time on fb.

It's NOTHING personal, I am just fed up with it, and can't spend more time on it......no big deal :/

I was NOT given this as a duty in here.....that is NOT my duty to do this....

Oh, and Beverly is at the level where she still REPRESENT the person she happen to have in her pocket :D

So we just CAN'T think the same... :D

And it's NOT MY FAULT :P

Only EMPLOYEE represents.... :P

But when I tried to explaine that to her, she went away, and left me on my own, like if I was a sort of a TOKEN or something :D

So fuck her, with her NOBILITY syndrom :D

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!

oh fuck that one is deep :D

Not to me....sounds like bullshit :D

even smell like it :D

I have a beautiful wife, and 4 daughters Geoffrey Sandor Walker, I don't NEED love from ANY other woman, and I don't CARE about them, I am not even LOOKING at them, I just don't give a shit :P

You mean "your RICH man"

can't be poor with 4 daughters :P

you should keep fishing :D

Why STRESSED ? :/

The stress is on their boyfriends, not me.....

It's because you did not get the right tools, I have the right tools, and I am an EXCELLENT administrator......don't ever think the opposite :D

I may look stupid, but I am NOT an idiot :D

Look how stupid I look :D

Show me your face Geoffrey Sandor Walker, so I can see how stupid you may look :D

Ha! That was easy... much less scrolling for me :D

And it echos...

What did YOU do "WRONG" Beverly Girl-Brain Braaksma to deserve the wrath of Pete? Re: "less" scrolling...my scrolling finger is starting to heal. (Which is great, because i need it for other things) :P

Don't give Pete such a hard time for blocking members... I am quite likely partially responsible for this methinks... But hey, if a man is not entitled to his temper; what is he really entitled to? ;)

Pete Daoust, I respect how you're an honourable man...to your administrative affairs & to your family...that is a rare & special trait.

Re the difference(s) between Pete's best Administrator in town & the Buck-o-five method:

Pete discharges his obligations using a Bill of Exchange to wipe out any alleged debts, to zero & balance the accounts...like any good Administrator would...and according to Pete, he's the best Administrator in town...he acts with honourable intent & only wants the TRUTH.

Buck-o-five is different in that it uses lawful currency (the one dollar stamp) to lawfully pay/trump the use of debt & to invoke international law/treaties re the postal service...you can't pay a debt using debt notes (cheques, FRNs etc), so use lawful currency instead...one method is discharge, the other is payment.

I am currently reviewing the UPU's constitution docs & related Acts & treaties to get some tangible evidence as to how & why exactly the Buck-o-five method purportedly works, and how to defend it (when challenged) using the clubhouse rules of international treaty etc...if/when I find something useful, it will be posted here :D

Harold Austerman, from what I understand (and the relevant legislation for the UK):

When you sign the credit agreement/promissory note/charge etc, you have created a specie of money...you deposit that as property/security in exchange for a loan...the fees and interest are the lender's compensation for acting as a currency exchange & converting your specie of currency into legal tender.

Once the 'loan' relationship is complete, you have the right to demand your promissory note back...problem is, it has often (meaning virtually ALWAYS) been on-sold to some third party, so it cannot be returned...therefore, you have the right to bill them for the agreed upon value of the promissory note (the principal amount of the loan)...

The Consumer Credit Act 1974, section 189 defines a security as follows: “security —, in relation to an actual or prospective consumer credit agreement or consumer hire agreement, or any linked transaction, means a mortgage, charge, pledge, bond, debenture, indemnity, guarantee, bill, note or other right provided by the debtor or hirer, or at his request (express or implied), to secure the carrying out of the obligations of the debtor or hirer under the agreement;

The Administration of Justice Act 1970, Section 39 states: “mortgage” includes a charge”

The Bill of Exchange Act 1882, Part 1(2) states: “Bill” means bill of exchange, and “note” means promissory note.

Case Law:

“The principle is that a bill, cheque or note is given and taken in payment as so much cash” (see Jackson v Murphy [1887] 4 T.L.R. 92).

"We have repeatedly said in this court that a bill of exchange or a promissory note is to be treated as cash. It is to be honoured unless there is some good reason to the contrary" (see per Lord Denning M.R. in Fielding & Platt Ltd v Selim Najjar[1969] 1 W.L.R. 357 at 361; [1969] 2 All E.R. 150 at 152, CA)

The Bills of Exchange Act 1882, Section 30(1) states:

Every party whose signature appears on a bill is prima facie deemed to have become a party thereto for value.

You may need to dredge through the clubhouse rules where you are, to find the equivalent legislation in order to defend your claims.

...If, from this, you wish to (re)negotiate an early settlement & use the original promissory note to set off the loan amount, then that may be acceptable to the 'lender'. In that case, you'll need to use your own money of exchange to settle any fees for completing the relationship early, but hey, it's all contract & all down to offer/counter offer until you reach an agreeable solution :D

Stuart, true payment is discharge. Both methods discharge a debt. Paying with legal tender is passing liability or paying a debt with a debt.

two ways to skin the same cat

Ultimately the result is the same...

I don't get how the pre-auth payments go. Back in the day you would write a cheque for all utility bills, car payments, etc which creates more debt... Now everything is Pre-Authorized payments... How does that create more debt and why do they want everything done that way now?

I don't skin cats, I feed them :(

Stuart Stone awesome Insight!!!!!

I read a post that Dean Clifford was talkin about Scott Duncan and himself teach the same principals, just using different methods as a means to an End!!! I heR what Stuart Stone and Beverly Girl-Brain Braaksma are sayin!!! and like Suil, says better to get skinned in here,than in the courts!!! Thanks for the input!

Robert, I didn't "do" anything... it was another TANTRUM moment... obviously...

In relation to discharge with the signature as Bev mentioned. Debt/Obligation is money in this system. The signature is obligation. When you indorse the back of a cheque/negotiable instrument what has happened?

Also a debt/account settled and closed in the private with value is a setoff. But a debt discharged with another debt instrument is an account still open but temporarily deactivated awaiting a future settlement.

It's good to not mix methods, but it's equally as good to be open for expanding ones repertoire:-)

I discharged my mortgage with an EFT on a closed checking account. Wells Fargo accepted the EFT, zero balanced my online banking statement, and then a couple of weeks later reversed my banking statement. They then sent me a letter stating that they weren't going to accept the payment and "would not speak about this matter again." I've asked for the instrument to be returned to me untouched, which of course they haven't, and they are refusing to answer any of my requests. They did however attempt to pass off a color copy of the promissory note as the original.

so....upon thinking about this more, I had this thought that Bills of Exchange were requests for loans! They are asking for NOTES! Meaning a liability. If we give Notes to them, we would, in FACT, be giving them a loan. By signing the BoE for account set off, wouldn't we be the Creditor authorizing the loan? This goes for checks as well...

Pete Daoust Im saying this with respect so don't block me!!! I do respect your opinion! You speak of staying in Honor in a Corrupt Villanious system where Honors Light Never shown! Paper is paper, whether it be Fiat Notes, a napkin, or a BOE, It's their system-just usin it as they do, wheres the Honor in Debt Slavery????

Why not applying on a "job" at the government with this thinking :-D ....

And I never thought of blocking you Harold Austerman.....I only block those who don't give a shit about what I say, to help them avoiding my posts....

They always do the same ...., they pretend being smarter, they pretend smelling better than you, they pretend being sharper than you, and when you show them that, in fact, they are not.....then they just don't want to talk to you no more, and they leave you on YOUR OWN....some of them will even try to harm you because of it.....I have seen this so many times.... :)

But it's my right to NOT tolerate this little daddy's girl attitude :D