Oct 10, 2013 7:24 PM

I wrote to the DVLA (Dept responsible for issuing Drivers licences in the UK), asking if the licence is a form of ID (purely for shits n giggles n entertainment purposes only :D )

Their reply:

Dear Mr Sxxxx Thank you for your email received on 18/2/13. Your email reference number is 1xxxxxx. I hope this information is of some help to you. The photocard driving licence is not an identity card, its sole purpose is to convey entitlement to drive particular types of vehicles.

Blah blah etc

I used this in Australia to void a speeding fine (stopped at the side of the road, received the paperwork & mailed it back VOID no contract, with a Notice of Mistake & copy of the above email, stating that I have no knowledge as to whom they believe they identified)...and the licence was out of date.

Key point from this for me, is that they acknowledge, via their email, that the licence has little to do with me as it is not used to identify me :D

If I then claim it, I don't know how much controversy I create by doing so...easier for the Man to step away from the PERSON...I have one in my pocket that seems to pacify the psycopath with the gun, but I'm glad that his bosses know that it's not ME :D

:-) I was thinking if I liened it, that would make me (or my corp) the primary Creditor (asset ledger entry) and ANY more charges that this debtor accrues (liability ledger entries) could be dismissed.....

The way I am seeing it is that the Account ONLY exists because of my signature. I really don't want some moron on the side of the road with a gun causing ME harm because this Person doesn't have a Drivers License, so I will keep it. I see it that I could accept the Security Instrument he charges the Person with on the side of the road and as Creditor (later at my office) I could FORGIVE the charges. It seems like it is even easier than Buck o Five or Pete's method.

makes sense...I'm like you, I've got no problem with using it to make the crazy person at the side of the road to leave me alone...if it's now property held in private trust, then you can use it to ward off all manner of interlopers trying to force you to contract in their system

To further this idea, Can the current charges (Arrest Warrant) that the Court has against this Person be liened also? Its my understanding that Courts are banks and they are salivating over this Security I created. I have issued a second NoM for the resulting Warrant, but couldn't this be easier if I liened the Docket Number. became Creditor, and FORGAVE the charges? The only reason the Security they are trying to cash in on exists is due to my signature....so, what if I became Creditor of it? Thoughts?

Yes! And, my Private Trust should be commissioned today!!!! :-) ;-) :-) I think I should lien each individual Account too though.....Specifically the 2 I have mentioned.

Scott, is this thinking correctly?

And if we should be liening these Accounts, since the only reason they exist is due to one signature, mine, can I ONLY file a UCC-1?

I am thinking that this is a TENDER FOR LAW! :-)

This brain will explode soon Chris Evan, keep it up !! :D

Chris Evan It seems like it is even easier than Buck o Five or Pete's method.

But what about OTHER types of bill of exchange ? :)

Ecactly! A perfected lien is a BoE!

If I am wrong, I am sure Scott would blast me and show the shitstain. Scott, is this correct?

I thought a perfected lien, was a perfected lien ? :/

I get ALL fucked-up when something means something else :(

I think to be PERFECTED, it has to be backed by a SOLID CLAIM. Like Proper Public Notice or a Summary Judgement.

I KNOW that a BoE needs.....

1). BENEFICIARY 2). DRAWEE 3). DRAWER

a Notice is a BoE

A notice is a Notice....

Fuck....what's wrong in here... :(

You guys gets me to learn ALL these english words, and now you want to change ALL of them ?....WTF ??... :(

A BoE is a negotiable instrument, yes?

Yes....until it's COMPLETED... :/

A Notice is a negotiable instrument, yes?

Nope....and yes....depending what's written on it :)

NO PARKING :P

Try to negociate that one :D

ok....per order of who? Do they own the space?

Fuck Chris Evan.....you'll end up in an ASYLUM :D

Maybe, but a Notice IS a BoE.

Notice to Lien from the IRS (or whatever you guys have up there) is that Negotiable?

OK....if you want :D

:-)

A NO PARKING NOTICE, notify you to not park there.....if you park there, you will pick-up, at some point, a bill of exchange addressed to the person you have in your pocket..... :)

The Drivers License is evidence of acceptance of the T&C offered. I don't see any reason why I can't lien the number on the document that I signed for the Person, becoming "first in line". (And probably the only one in line)

IF it is Proper Public Notice

The Public notice is a tender to contract. If one choses to engage after the Notice has been established on the historical record the terms of the contract are filled giving cause for a charge...

OR, can I CLAIM this Account ab initio. FUCK....Scott, my brain is about to explode.

Why are you seeking advice? - Because I want to grow and be in control

What, specifically, is the problem? - Specifically, this Person is getting a lot of BoE's due to some presumptions made about the person, including an Arrest Warrant and some Traffic Violations

What, briefly, led to the issue. - My lack of understanding of who I am and what the rules are have led to this, but I have become aware and would like to correct these MISTATKES.

How has the issue manifested, and what are the negative ramifications? - The issues started with a little arrogance. I am in fear that I may end up locked in a cage or tied up....

What is the desired result? - Certainly avoiding being locked in a cage and/or tied up. But ultimately, I want all of this crap dismissed.

:-D

Nope, you're cooked, can't help you......see you in jail and/or in hell :D

Why will I be going to jail and/or hell?

VOID.

But Jay Le B, if I VOID the DL, then these idiots on the side of the road will cause me harm. If I VOID the Citations, they are not honoring that. I have evidence of BOTH situations. My new idea is LIEN the ENTIRE ACCOUNT that I created! That way, the Creditor can always FORGIVE. My Trust would be the Creditor. Does this not make sense?

Ah... gotcha.

I was thinking of the charges is all.

But the charges is ACCOUNTING. There can't be ACCOUNTING without a contract. The only reason the contract exists is because I signed for it. I just want to ask if that is enough proof to just Lien the fucker!!!!

Oh Chris, is that the piece of paper you've signed a few weeks ago because you could not keep your hands in your pocket ? :/

Part of it....but that is a separate matter

There are 2 specific issues. First the DL Contract and Liening it. Second the Court File and Liening it. But the crux is the same on both issues

Once the trust is set up, you can do the following:

Send a notice, informing the other party(ies) that all property in the name of PERSON is now held in private trust.

The trust is more than willing to fulfil any and all obligations, however, the trustees are mandated to verify any & all obligations prior to settlement. Payment shall be made upon validation and receipt of evidence of the following:

1. That there is an injured party

2. That there was harm caused

3. etc etc (other terms)

There is no controversy here,

For & on behalf of the Board of Trustees of ABC Trust

In other words, have them prove up their claim...and you remain in honour, while keeping everything at arms length, as evidence is required by a 3rd party intervenor (the trust)

Public Notice of unauthorized use of name as part of the perfected process, gives cause to the lien. If you have completed the perfected Notice.

Guys, its not about that....Its about making a superior claim because I am the Creditor! I granted them the right to issue a DL to the person. Now, I want to claim my status as Creditor for the account.

That just dosen't make any sense Chris Evan....sorry :(

Nope. you have no status. surety yes, trustee of legal person hoopedville if you do not counter claim.

You as surety for the legal person granted them that ... you.

really? Why doesn't that make any sense? My signature created the account. Why can't I claim it?

but its not yours... so you is fucked, it is not your property.

But the only reason someone else has an Account for a DL called CES S726xxxxx is because of my signature.

Because, you've ASKED for that freaking DL, you've SIGNED and accepted ALL terms and conditions hooked to it...... :P

Lien is a claim.

Yeah....and my signature gave it value, did it not?

no your surety did.

sealed it.

NO....your signature made you ACCEPTED these terms and conditions....

Ok. So without my signature is there an Account called CES S726xxxxx?

What did you use as 'ID' to create the account/licence in order to sign it? Did you claim another document (eg: BC) that wasn't created by you, as being you, consequently creating controversy & potentially committing fraud?

yes Stuart, yes I did!

No there is NOT, but you've SIGNED....fffffuuuuccccckkkkk...!!!!!

So without ME, there is no Account, correct?

Yes, but there is no such thing of WITHOUT ME....

HELLOOSSS!!!!!!

That comes back to the DVLA thing I posted up the top...if the licence (or BC) can't be used to identify you, then who did they identify when they handed the charges etc to you?

They must have made a mistake, that you need to correct ;D

Why don't you just ADMINISTRATE instead of wanting to fight with these idiots ?

If my signature is the ONLY thing giving this Account any value, why can't I claim it?

Its just an Account

I am TRYING TO ADMINISTRATE THE FUCKING THING EFFICIENTLY

:-D

What the heck VALUE there is in a DL ?

Well, charges that stem from the T&C's

maybe that's what this is all about then...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVkUvmDQ3HY

You've made a MISTAKE that night... :P

I have made a LOT of MISTAKES

They know.....

Do you have a DL Chris Evan ?

I remember Scott writing that he liens all the Accounts he created!

The DL belongs to CES. I administrate that for him

Time to send a notice to correct those mistakes ;-)

And I remember Scott Duncan saying he DOES NOT DRIVE CARS since 1989 :P

Actually, it belongs to the RMV, but CES is the usufruct

I have sent 2 notices correcting those MISTAKES

Does the person you happen to have in your pocket have a valid DL Chris Evan ?

But this one has MY picture on it and in their databases. I want to have this so I am not harmed on the side of the road, but I don't want to be SURETY for this thing. Why can't I lien the fucker?

Yes

Is it an Account?

You are the account

Draw a nice little mustache on that picture :P

You lien PROPERTY

What do you mean I AM AN ACCOUNT Beverly Girl-Brain Braaksma ?

It seems that the Account indicated by the number S726xxxxx is property.

Chris, is it 'your' picture or is it the licence's picture?

I can lien a Bank Account, yes? Why not this account?

I give up :(

It sure as hell looks like me....enough for some idiot on the side of the road to cause me harm

DRAW A MUSTACHE on it....I am serious :D

Pete, even if I draw a mustache, the idiots have computers with data bases now....think cbout it

Oh yeas and what the hell does that makes me ?

It's a Winston Shrout concept: the signature on a document is the document's signature....YOU didn't put the picture on the licence, or the signature...some 3rd party did that...then they're claiming it's you, or more accurately, allowing you to claim it's you...which creates a controversy

The picture & signature & thumbprint etc all belong to the licence...

Just like the photos of Anna Nicole Smith in Playboy are playboy's pics :P

WHY?....because FUCK OFF, that's why :P

Its all ACCOUNTING and SURETY, correct? We know none of us are SURETY, but what about the ACCOUNTING? Why can't I lien the Account?

Broke Back Mountain :D :D

Damn you are ugly as FUCK

Did you draw that moustache using vegemite Pete Daoust? :D

That is YOUR opinion Chris Evan ?

Did you deface a document that doesn't belong to you?

So getting back to this. Why would a lien not work on this ACCOUNT?

Did you deface a document that doesn't belong to you?...Nope, it's NOT me who did that.....you have proof ?

To borrow a Dean Cliffordism, could you lien your McDonald's employee ID?

I think it's my youngest daughter.....but not sure :D

xactly

i don't see why not, but that account isn't extracting money from you on the side of the road, so why would you?

Thanks Stuart Stone

Fuck Chris Evan, let it go Man...pleaaaassseeee :D

No....I still don't see the point. ITS A FUCKING ACCOUNT CREATED BY ME.

:-D

The license is the McDonalds Id. The Account is S726xxxxx. The Account gets debited and credited all the time. I authorized its creation. Why can't I claim it?

These thugs are extracting MONEY from the person you happen to have in your pocket....NOT YOU...HEEELLOOSSSSS !!!

Scott, if I am wrong, lay into me...!!!

Correct, however, they are idiots.

Oh....I have 3 DL in my pocket by the way....ALL VALIDS ONE :D

I think the bottom line is, that if you're the only party that adds value to the PERSON (and from what I remember Scott saying elsewhere, EVERY time the name of the PERSON is used on a document/warrant/charge etc, a new PERSON with that name is created), and the government is not a person, then who is going to object to you liening the value you have added to the PERSON into a private trust?

But, can you claim the value of the other PERSONs on the charge sheet/warrant etc?

I think, from memory of other posts, that's also possible, especially once the original PERSON (BC) has been liened into a private trust, then all the descendants (derived from the original document) may also be liened into said trust :D

So Chris Evan, who is surety for the person you happen to have in your pocket, from whom these idiost EXTRACTING money from ?

:D

Yes Pete, I get the sURETY thing....I am talking about the ACCOUNTING thing

They are the same.

What is "they"?

IT'S ALL Accounting AND Surety... AND, not OR.

Forgive me if I am wrong. An ACCOUNT was created by my signature labeling ME as SURETY

yes?

The ENDORSER is surety.

So No SURETY, no ACCOUNT. hmmmmmm. I guess the same with the Arrest Warrant.

This is gonna be much easier once I am the COPYHOLDER.

My understanding is if you're pulled over officers of a company will attempt to engage you in business contract and create an account. This account will however have debts immediately attached to it. They could call the account mickey mouse, point being if you say "yes Im mickey mouse" you're liable for the debts. Every encounter is a brand new possible business deal... Correct me if Im wrong obviously. I don't mean to mislead

So the best thing to do...SO FAR.....is to find where is this Mickey Mouse's surety, and administrate this matter correctly :D

Another company's accounting is none of my business unless its my business ;-)

So, the DL number is not evidence of a contract and the contract that the accounting and surety is created from is the exchange on the side of the roads with these idiots?

You are authorised to operate in the capacity the license provides... It doesn't mean you are always operating as such. The cops are more or less sub contractors hired to apprehend misbehaving trustees. They presume you are always a trustee until we rebut

That's my understanding anyway. Hopefully not leaving shit stains

Remember its a brand new Christopher shulte on that charge sheet. Its not the Chris shulte on the license

(*Christopher shulte on the license)

How about something like from the presumption rebuttal thread translated to... That's the licenses picture not mine?

That is not me at this time. Is that not your property?

WTF? Why can't my tiny protoplasm get this fucking idea? So, when I signed the DL, I accepted the terms and conditions. BUT they create a New ACCOUNT on the side of the road with new SURETY, but it has nothing to do with the Person on the License, yet they enforce the T&C signed for by the Licencee.

Ya cause until you notify them different they think you work for the gubbinit and they think they are the boss of you.

You should look up the terms and conditions of having a licence Chris. If they ask "is this you" pointing to the license you say "no, that's a piece of paper you Fuckwit" :-)

Or something to that effect. In my encounter i just said i wasn't using it therefore did not have need to carry it. Write to your dept of transport and ask for a list of the full terms and conditions attached to the use of a driving licence. See what they say. I might do the same myself

Oh....just so there is no MISTAKE, I never showed it to anyone pertaining to what I am posting about here. They attached my Good Name to this public document because they felt like it!

The terms and conditions in MASS is if you have it, you have to show it. I never claimed to have one or not. They found a Debit Card in my pocket bearing a name that I presume they typed in the database and found a picture of a guy who looked like me.

When I saw it on the screen, I pointed and said "I am not that Person". Then I made the fatal mistake of signing their stupid Security Instrument.

When i was in the station they couldn't let me leave until i gave them something like a name or address. My guess is that was to protect them from being liable from fraud. They don't want you to confirm you're the Christopher shulte that signed for a license. They just want a donkey to pin the new Christopher shulte tail on

Same here. Then I heard that they can only do that for 72 hours. They have 72 hours to extract a NAME

Hey Scott... What would you do if held for 72 hrs?

I asked them how long do they believe they can hold me for. Their quick reply was "until we ascertain who you are".

Ye but they will always say that to put the fear in you , bottom line is they can't keep you forever somebodies gotta pick up the tab and it's their job to make sure it's you.

Eamonn, I forgot to ask! Were you legs beaten so badly that you were unable to walk?

They stole my mamwwich :-D

No Chris. The audio more or less conveys their attitude. No aggression from them...

Endorser (see indorser)

indorser. (18c) A person who transfers a negotiable instrument by indorsement; speci”., one who signs a negotiable instrument other than as maker, drawer, or acceptor. - Also spelled endorser.

acceptor. A person or entity that accepts a negotiable instrument and agrees to be primarily responsible for its or payment performance. [Cases: Bills and Notes

In the case of a traffic ticket, who is the acceptor of the ticket Scott Duncan? Is this the employee that receives the INDORSED ticket (with my indorsement) and will hunt me down/empty my bank account etc. to make sure the ticket is paid?

What bank account ?...."YOU" have no bank accounts Robert Cormier.....The person you happen to have in your pocket can have one if "YOU" decide so...

I have decided to NOT have a bank account for PIERRE DAOUST the person, for now....

I am waiting on this PRIVATE BANKING thread Scott promised 4 years ago :D

And if ROBERT CORMIER's bank account is full, as you suggested in the above post (and will hunt me down/empty my bank account etc) You have NO IDEA why you are here.....

Why is it so difficult to understand that I AM NOT A PERSON, I HAVE A PERSON.

I am NOT a person, I am NOT a person.....I have a person, and everything I think is mine, well it's not mine, it belongs to the PERSON....

I, as a Man, have NOTHING other than some TIME....

HELLOOSSS !!!!! :D

A Man can NOT pay anything, unless he has some LAWFUL money in his pocket......but only PERSONS can pay with legal tender, PIERRE DAOUST don't have access to these legal tender for now :P

And PIERRE DAOUST seems to have a FABULOUS mustache :D

In other words, PIERRE DAOUST's Life and Liberty seems to have been put on STANDBY for now by its ADMINISTRATOR, but PIERRE DAOUST's surety/security seems to be extremely well used by PIERRE DAOUST's administrator....

You gotta start somewhere !! :D

^^^^^"fuck is that ever deep :/ ^^^^

I wonder if, in a communist zone, man have a person ? :-\

Pete you look like Stalin with that stash

IT'S NOT ME .....:P