Sep 05, 2013 9:47 PM

Pete Daoust: "Establish a TRUST (This is where I freeze ) hopefully Scott Duncan will write a long fucking article on this subjet)" :) :) :)

Remember my car thread? Still trying to figure out how to register it as a private (NOT PUBLIC) property. Once I figure that I imagine that other property (homes, companies, bank accounts, insurance policies) that is usually REGISTERED with the government can be brought in the PRIVATE in the same manner.

Pete Daoust: "Make sure NOTHING is in the name of this PERSON named PIERRE DAOUST 26X-XXX-XXX" How do one do this with their car, home, company etc. This confuses me as well. I am the administrator of a trust for my mother. Yet the property (much of it) mentioned in the trust is in the ALL CAPS NAME which the government gave her to use for commerce.

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Register

To record, or enter precisely in a designated place, certain information in the public records as is mandated by statute. A book of public records.

A register contains various types of information that is available to the public, such as births, dates, and marriages.

The term register is also used as a designation for the public official charged with the duty of maintaining such records.

How do one do this with their car, home, company etc....well...

EVERYTHING that is BOUGHT, is to be bought by the CORP.,

Almost all my property is registered. The corporation itself is registered to the government though. :(

Almost all my property is registered: why do you say MY property ??

OOPs My mistake.

The corporation itself is registered to the government though. AND as long as the books are well done, so what ?

Everything is INVENTORY sitting in THEIR warehouse.

The person is THEIR property.

So if the PERSON I happen to have in my pocket wants to USE these things, well, I have to make sure that the person I have in my pocket pays TAXES for the use of THEIR warehouse.

You see ?....there is no "ME" in that equation. "ME" just don't EXIST in this legal world. :(

In this scenario, don't you end up with property owned/registered by the government, being "controlled" by a corporation owned by the government? So how does this allow (if at all) ME to have any EXTRA CONTROL of the property that I don't want the government seizing? ME at the side of the road: Police officer, this car is in a trust managed by a corporation. You can't tow it. POLICE: It's registered with the government, I'll do what I want. ME (at the door of my house): Mr Police Officer/Bailiff, you can't enter this home, take possession, change the locks as it is in a trust managed by a corporation. Police: "Your" home is registered to the government. Step aside. ME (a la a Dean Clifford like scenario): You can't start seizing my property and freezing assets because the CRA thinks i owe you 60k when I only made 18K in income). You've must of made a mistake, besides all of it is in a trust managed by a corporation. JUSTICE: I don't give a rats ass, we will take/seize/freeze what we want because everything you are talking about is registered to US. Don't the courts determine TRUSTS all the time even though TRUST LAW is HIGHER than ACTS and STATUES? :(

Forgive me for being slow on the uptake here. I realize that I am to understand that the LIEN will grant first rights here. Where I lose grasp of the concept, is that if their is a dispute over the lien I placed, the COURTS will ultimately decide if my LIEN is to be upheld. Example, as far as I understand, a mechanic can do real work on a car then lien it, complete with video proof and receipts for parts he installed, that he did the work. If the recipient of the work challenges the lien, IS THE JUSTICE REALLY GOING TO SAY...I CAN"T TOUCH THIS CASE AS THEIR IS A LIEN ON THE CAR, you must ask the mechanic for justice regarding the car and never again involve the courts because it is out of our jurisdiction? My brain short circuits too easily sometimes. :(

Also, as I understand it....If we buy or own anything it doesn't mean Me or the PERSON has FULL AND COMPLETE TITLE OR A BENEFICIAL INTEREST. This is how they have control of everything isn't it?

Great post Pete Daoust Scratching my head and looking like a deer in headlights. Sometimes I BELIEVE/THNK I understand something because I heard or read it myself, when I don't have a clue. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=611883245521011&set=a.302775859765086.68974.302772516432087&type=1&theater

We can't buy or own anything.....WHO IS "WE" ?

All of us ME's and/or all of us PERSONS.

The PERSON I have in my pocket can buy whatever it want to buy.

"ME", on the other end....as a HUMAN BEING, I don't even EXIST in this LEGAL world......

If i recall correctly, Bitcoin was deemed to be taxable and considered akin to legal tender because it often comes from legal tender and can be converted into legal tender.

As i now understand, if I PURCHASE something, I own it. Owning something means I have LEGAL TITLE to it. Having LEGAL TITLE DOES NOT necessarily SIGNIFY FULL AND COMPLETE TITLE OR A BENEFICIAL INTEREST. I do get a nice receipt for ACCOUNTING PURPOSES however. :) ( I guess I could accept a BILL and use a blue pen, provide my signature and DISCHARGE the debt I created when agreed to purchase/buy the product) Would this take the purchase out of the PUBLIC?

Crap. I've been looking up in Black's Law 9th some of the terms I've used. For BUY it says see PURCHASE. This confuses me more as I "know" their are NO SYNONYMS IN LAW. I reserve the right to edit the above posts as their may be some "shit stains" I am unaware of and may have made unintentionally. I'll study this a whole lot more and make corrections as I realize/find mistakes. I've been searching for the Shrout clip I referenced.

Crap. I've been looking up in Black's Law 9th some of the terms I've used earlier. For the word BUY, it says see PURCHASE. This confuses me more as I "know" their are NO SYNONYMS IN LAW. I've been busy editing the above posts as I unintentionally created a few "shit stains". I've scrubbed out those I've found so far. I'll study this a whole lot more and make corrections as I realize/find mistakes. :) I've been searching for the Winston Shrout clip I referenced earlier.

OWN, vb. (bef. 12c) To RIGHTFULY have or POSSESS as property; to have LEGAL TITLE to. ...LEGAL, adj. (lSc) 1. Of or relating to law; falling within the province of law <pro bono legal services>. 2. Established, required, or PERMITTED by law; LAWFUL <it is legal to carry a concealed handgun in some states>. 3. Of or relating to LAW as OPPOSED TO EQUITY. [Cases: Action C=>21.J........buy. See PURCHASE (1)......purchase, n. (lSc) 1. The act or an instance of buying. 2. The acquisition of real property by one's own or another's act (as by will or gift) rather than by descent or inheritance. [Cases: Vendor and Purchaser Cf. DESCENT (1). - purchase, vb. compulsory purchase. Rare. See EMINENT DOMAIN.

purchase accounting method. See ACCOUNTING METHOD

account in TRUST. See ACCOUNT....account, n. (14c) 1. ACCOUNTING (3) <the principal filed an action for account against his agent>. - Also spelled (archaically) accompt. [Cases: Account ~1-7] "The action of account lies where one has received goods or money for another in a fiduciary capacity, to ascertain and recover the balance due. It can only be maintained where there is such a relationship between the parties, as to raise an obligation to account, and where the amount due is uncertain and unliquidated." Benjamin J. Shipman, Handbook of Common-Law Pleading — 56, at 144 (Henry Winthrop Ballantine ed., 3d ed. 1923). 2. ACCOUNTING (4) <the contractor filed an action for account against the nonpaying customer>. 3. A statement by which someone seeks to describe or explain an event <Fred's account of the holdup differed significantly from Martha's>. 4. A detailed statement of the debits and credits between parties to a contract or to a fidUciary relationship; a reckoning of monetary dealings <the trustee balanced the account at the end of each month>.” In wills and estates, an account is a brief financial statement of the manner in which an executor or administrator has performed the official duties ofcollecting the estate's assets and paying those who are entitled. An account charges the executor or administrator with the value of the estate as shown by the inventory, plus any increase, and credits the executor with expenses and costs, duly authorized disbursements, and the executor's commission. - Abbr. acct.; ale. - Also termed accounting. See STATEMENT OF ACCOUNT. 5. A course of business dealings or other relations for which records must be kept <open a brokerage account>. account in trust. An account established by an individual to hold the account's assets in trust for someone else. [Cases: Trusts ~34.]

This is getting interesting now....legal title. (l7c) A title that evidences apparent ownership BUT DOES NOT NECESSARILY SIGNIFY FULL AND COMPLETE TITLE OR A BENEFICIAL INTEREST. — Before the Statute of Uses (1536), a legal title was enforceable only in a court oflaw, NOT CHANCERY. Cf. equitable title, [Cases: Vendor and Purchaser C=:>54.]

apparent title. See COLOR OF TITLE... Something is starting to smell fishy here :)

payee. (18c) One to whom money is paid or payable; esp., a party named in COMMERCIAL paper as the recipient of the payment. Cf. PAYOR....payor. (l6c) One who pays; esp., a person responsible for paying a negotiable instrument. Also spelled payer. See DRAWEE; PAYEE.

Been busy with this most of the day so far. Going for a long walk to let this all sink in some more. BTW Where is everyone? :(