Here is what has been happening to me lately. I was in family court last Tuesday and Wednesday. On Tuesday after court started I told the justice that I didn't think that the court order was valid because I had voided it and I couldn't get a true certified copy of it. That I was told that the document was tampered. That when I looked up the word tampered it meant void. So the justice told me that there was (conveniently) a certified copy in the courtroom. The justice and the clerk hunted high and low and "found" a copy. The Sheriff handed it to me and when I checked the back page, I told him that this wasn't a true certified copy. His response was "I say it is". I also figured out another lie that the social worker made up and used in some of the documents to get the kid back. So my next step is to take it to the Attorney General?
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Brenda Larson
by the way the kids got sent to permanent care. And the youngest is up for adoption, apparently.
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Lou Manotti
Brenda,where did you find the definition of TAMPERED to mean"void"?
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Jeff Roggers
or did one of those legal Law Society people explain it that way?
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Ceit Butler
Or perhaps she is just busy with life AWAY from the computer and has not seen your questions yet.
You cannot honestly expect people to spend day and night tethered to their keyboards, awaiting your comments with baited breath.
Lose the attitude and learn some patience.
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Jeff Roggers
Brenda are you online?
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Brenda Larson
Black's law 4th edition, TAMPER. To meddle so as to alter a thing, especially to make corrupting or perverting changes; CORRUPT. Spoiled; tainted; vitiated VITIATE. To impair; to make void or voidable;
to cause to fail of force or effect;
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Jeff Roggers
Brenda did you take the new certified copy and make a new original attach an affidavit and certify mail it???
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Brenda Larson
no I wrote it right on the original.
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Jeff Roggers
Did you attach an affidavit and certified mail it back to the court???
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Brenda Larson
No. I wrote it right on the original at the court house, it went back in their court file, I went back a few days later and asked for a true certified copy 3x and they would not give it to me other then trying to offer me a true certified copy of a a previously copied order, without the void on it.
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Jeff Roggers
This is why you take it home you make an affidavit and you certify mail it certified mail is a record of the event the affidavit forces the court to recognize the new original that was voided
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Ceit Butler
As a party named on the document, she has every RIGHT to "tamper" with it.
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Jeff Roggers
this is why they call it tampering because you didn't follow all the administration procedure steps
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Ceit Butler
"tambourine"?
Brenda Larson
then if you say I didn't follow all the procedures how come they tell me it is tampered and wont give me a true certified copy?
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Ceit Butler
You know, Jeff Roggers, the more I read your comments, the more credibility Pete's "Frisbey" theory gains...
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Jeff Roggers
hello Kate I use the talk to text application it does not show me the whole message so I have to import it and then correct that I'm sorry I have dyslexia yes you have the right to Tamper but you also have to follow the procedures because nobody's above the law
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Ceit Butler
Okay, let's follow that line of thinking...what exactly are the "procedures" that should have been followed?
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Jeff Roggers
registered certified mail record the event. an affidavit forces the court to recognize the new document. ect
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Ceit Butler
The orders are contracts. ANY party named on said contract has the right to VOID the contract. The fact that the party is named IS the only authority required.
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Jeff Roggers
the right to void something is not an issue is it? how to void it is?
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Pete Daoust
Kate Butler, it's NOT a theory, Jeff IS Freezebee.....ask HIM ? :D
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Jeff Roggers
a wise man once said a notice of mistake with an affidavit and a birth certificate why is this???
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Jeff Roggers
what would happen if I filed a notice of mistake and birth certificate without an affidavit?
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Ceit Butler
My Notice of Mistake was stapled to the front page of the disclosure and mailed back to the Crown's office.
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Scott Duncan
"Black's law 4th edition".
Seriously. Fuck off with that shit. Black's 9th is the current one, and I have warned repeatedly about quoting from your grandparent's time. It is 2013. Use the stuff from this FUCKING CENTURY. I warned about this before, so your will feel a sharp tingling sensation, followed by...
BANNED!
That said, there seems to be a concerted effort to MISS THE FUCKING POINT. You listen to me, and grasp this shit, or I simply ban you. No more wasting time on idiots who won't listen.
TAMPERING VOIDS. PERIOD.
VOIDING VOIDS. PERIOD.
END RESULT HERE IN FUCKING REALITY = VOID.
If they say it's ILLEGAL, who do they charge? The LEGAL NAME? ...well maybe, as long as that LEGAL NAME ISN'T ON THE ALLEGEDLY TAMPERED DOCUMENT. IT"S NOT ILLEGAL FOR A NAMED PARTY TO VOID AND/OR AMEND ANY DOCUMENT WITH THEIR NAME ON IT. IT WILL ALWAYS STAND AS LEGALLY VOID.
WATCH THE MECHANICS OF THE PROCESS! ONLY A PERSON CAN BE CHARGED WITH "TAMPERING", but THAT LEGAL PERSON HAS THE ENTITLEMENT (UNALIENABLE RIGHT) TO VOID ANYTHING WITH THEIR NAME ON IT!
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Scott Duncan
IN SHORT: TAMPERING (VOIDING) ISN'T ILLEGAL, IF YOUR NAME IS ON THE DOCUMENT. THEY CANNOT CHARGE A NAMED PARTY ON THE DOCUMENT WITH ANY ILLEGAL ACT REGARDING SUCH A DOCUMENT, BECAUSE IT CANNOT BE ILLEGAL.
IT'S ALL ACCOUNTING AND SURETY... OFF TO BAN!
...idiots.
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David Johansen
you were handed a slider, and neglected to VOID it too?
Hi ALL! well first i read this post, and my comment above was pre reading throu the comments made previously. then i see the two posts immediately before this. seems i was on the right track. like shoulda hadah V8, shouldah whipped out a pen or that void stamp, and (like emeril) POW!
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David Johansen
everyone should have a brief case with a red pen as a backup, and the red VOID stamp... for those moments when...
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Pete Daoust
And a .357 magnum :D
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Stuart Stone
Theoretical exercise here, using the principle that questioning negates understanding:
'The Sheriff handed it to me and when I checked the back page, I told him that this wasn't a true certified copy. His response was "I say it is".'
Responses (to the sheriff): Are you claiming to be a party to this document, as I cannot see your name on it?
By what authority are you claiming that this is a true certified copy?
What evidence do you have to support your claim that this is a true certified copy?
Are you offering legal advice? Are you qualified to be providing legal advice? Are you a licensed lawyer?
...Am I on the right track with this line approach or am I just pissing in the wind?
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Pete Daoust
Pissing in the wind Stuart Stone....sorry
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Pete Daoust
Sherriff in Canada.
Canada
Various jurisdictions in Canada on provincial and sub-provincial levels operate sheriff's departments primarily concerned with court bailiff services such as courtroom security, post-arrest prisoner transfer, serving legal processes, and executing civil judgements. Sheriffs are defined under Section 2 of the Criminal Code of Canada as "peace officers". In other parts of Canada not covered by a sheriff's agency, bailiff functions are handled directly by the local provincial police or by Royal Canadian Mounted Police as appropriate.
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Pete Daoust
:D
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Steve Lemieux · Steeve Contributing Beneficiary
Pete, pace yourself! At this rate, you're going to wear out that fucking stamp!
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Jeff Roggers
well that explains why the Catholic call a divorce annule
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Pete Daoust
Steve, I've always found a way to keep in stock what I needed the most :-D
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