Jul 16, 2013 12:37 PM

essentially whoever name is on the order CAN BE SURETY.

ok, clearly this isnt getting enough attention it needs....

I'm hard-pressed to disagree.

Let's fix that...

PINNED... Now I'll MAKE THEM LOOK!

Muuuahahahahahahaha!

...I would totally make an awesome super-villain!

I'm not sure I'm thinking right on this, but is it the correlation between surety and security you are pointing out?

I LOVE this new word I have found not too long ago :D

Discharge: To liberate or free; to terminate or extinguish. A discharge is the act or instrument by which a contract or agreement is ended. A mortgage is discharged if it has been carried out to the full extent originally contemplated or terminated prior to total execution.

Discharge also means to release, as from legal confinement in prison or the military service, or from some legal obligation such as jury duty, or the payment of debts by a person who is bankrupt. The document that indicates that an individual has been legally released from the military service is called a discharge.

The performance of a duty discharges it. An attorney may speak of discharging a legal obligation.

There we go, now lets see where this goes and see if anyone realizes what i posted :)

No matter what happen, SURETY is needed, because NO surety = Nothing.

As long as there is ONE PERSON that can show SURETY, it can go on....

:/ That's how I see this....

The above is helpful in order to discharge a debt.... like a BIRTH CERTIFICATE... perhaps?

or any instrument of commerce like any type of BILL OF EXCHANGE for MONEY OF EXCHANGE...

a debt owed to the title holder...

equitable title holder..

They sure as fuck don't want you knowing about surety i asked the dude in the shop where i buy my law books to search the system for books on the subject last week to which he told me there was one book coming up that was being published this week with a nice 500 euro tag on it. A solicitard will write it off on their taxes so i can only assume it's to stop the common man reading it.

you dont piece them together, they stand on their own as individuals and used as needed.

Carl Dunne I got a book from here on contracting for $3.49 and $7.99 for shipping...it may be worth looking there for a reasonably priced book...I'm just not sure if they ship worldwide, but I would assume they do https://www.abebooks.com/

Thanks Gail Blackman I have a good few books on contracts etc here to get through at the moment i was just amazed that the book on surety in particular was so over-priced. The rest are all fairly reasonable and all are tailored for Irish law :)

I looked at this in the morn... busy day, work, she-devil shopping, dinner, and dobies just done taking me for a walk :/

(a) the right of the individual to life, liberty, security of the person and enjoyment of property...

http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/laws/stat/sc-1960-c-44/latest/sc-1960-c-44.html

Life, liberty and security of person

7. Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of the person...

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/Const/page-15.html

Article 3.

Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.

http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/

Article 9

1. Everyone has the right to liberty and security of person.

http://www.ohchr.org/en/professionalinterest/pages/ccpr.aspx

Article 9

The States Parties to the present Covenant recognize the right of everyone to social security, including social insurance.

http://www.ohchr.org/EN/ProfessionalInterest/Pages/CESCR.aspx

..did i miss any?

p.s.

NONE OF THIS IS HIDDEN! ;)

SURETY is a SECURITY within the definitions of law dictionaries. A SECURITY then is a CLAIM really, of some kind or other. If I make a deposit in my NAME, I CLAIM that deposit. If I create a BILL to you with my NAME on it, this is a CLAIM for payment. Hence, if I create a CLAIM, I am SURETY upon this until I can pin it on YOU.

A SECURITY would be a CLAIM for VALUE

Is this not where "whomever creates a LIABILITY must provide the REMEDY"? ...or be prepared to?

...and everything else I said was crap?

"...unless otherwise expressly required;"

..i think this means you are presumed to be the SURETY until say, ohh, you send in a NOTICE OF MISTAKE ;)

"I REQUIRE proof, as to if i am the SURETY in this matter.....are you claiming that I CREATED the Birth Certificate...is MY SIGNATURE on it?.....and who is in possession of the VALUABLE SECURITY for the person i have?"

g'night all

Is a SECURITY not a secured interest in something, or a creation of an interest in something would be attempt to secure it? In which some ONE with VALUE need to be attached? Fictions are not valuable in themselves, ie: could just as well be rocks or paper, or even just a thought.

I was going to go somewhere with this... but haven't got the "penis slapping your face" or "high five"...

I KNEW from the start it was SURETY that matters, I knew it, you guys remember the Pierre write a check to Scott Thread ?

I fucking knew it....that was the FIRST question I've sent to the government....back in December...

After SEVERAL emails sent to these lying sack of shit, the ONLY answer I received from them was:

WE CAN NOT GIVE LEGAL ADVICES

I fucking knew it.... :D

Fuck I feel smart :D

I've called them in December and asked: Hey, can you explaine to me what is the SURETY of the person ?

You should see the answer I've got....UNBELIEVABLE :D

I will do it again, with my knew toy (recording application on my cell) and I will ask them in FRENGLISH, will send it to Scott so he can post it here....fuck off :D

Good Morning Mr. Flaherty

I am in a process of educating myself on WHO I am, I’ve been studying the subject for almost 2 years now, and INVESTED 2 to 3 hours a day, and I take it VERY seriously, after being literally attacked by Revenu Quebec Agency, I’ve made that decision that I will know EVERYTHING I need to know about ME, I mean EVERYTHING.

And, according to my studies, YOU have the position of M.P. Minister of Finance in Canada to serve ME, and other people in Canada.

If ever I’m wrong, just let me know and I will never contact you again.

So I have one and only one question for you.

According to the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms article 7.

7. Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of the person and the right not to be deprived thereof except in accordance with the principles of fundamental justice.

So MY QUESTION TO YOU IS: What is the Security of the Person ?

Thanks in advance for your answer, I do recognize and fully accept your OATH of office.

Pierre Daoust ALL RIGHTS RESERVED

Sorry guys I'm in fire this morning :/

heres something you SHOULD consider.

now that we gotten the part where you are PRESUMNED to be SURETY.

When you rebut it by notice of mistake you cannot be SURETY any longer.

Now if the opposing party has a lawyer...that lawyer is about to be slammed. Why? Because they are na OFFICER OF THE COURT. THEY HAVE NO CHOICE IN THE MATTER BUT TO TAKE SURETY.

Bev was close and was onto something :)

Pete Daoust - Did you send a letter like that tp Flaherty, and, if so, what were the results?

I just sent it this morning Robert Cormier....

You should send it too :D

Pete Daoust Well done. I'm rubbing my hands together waiting for his response. :) PS I like your new cover photo!

Dan Doing the rounds: This is useful. Why did it need to be pinned? (Rhetorical Question)

I've heard before that the crown always has a chequebook with them for when they get, "Stuck with the Bill." What I've just read here would seem to defend this position. I can not remember if Scott verified this chequebook recollection in my head here or not, but I do remember reading it not to long ago, somewhere. Thanks for this, Derek Hill.

(d) a stamp or writing that secures or evidences title to or an interest in a chattel personal, ... I remember when we were kids, someone might make a claim to ownership of something, and someone would chime in "I don't see your name on it". Back in the day, I also remember that after someones death, families would sometime race to write their name on furniture. Often, the writing of names on furniture would take place as the aging person would gift a possession prior to their death (to be claimed after he/she died), and instruct the person to write their name on the gifted/inheritable item. This brings me to my question: If I write my name on someones possession and they don't erase it and, or, make a claim against me for vandalism, does the writing of my name on a thing secure it? Does my written name on it evidence my title and interest in that personal chattel?

Actually Derek, I was going somewhere else on this post cause I get that the liar holds SURETY on the CLAIM as well. But where I was going will be a different post.

Remember when Scott did that article Beverly, where he surgically broke down the definition of "every one" "person" "owner" in the Criminal Code? I think it would be AWESOME if he could do the same thing with "securities" "sureties".....i wonder if he's done having sex yet- flash him over the internet maybe, Beverly? ;)

Geeze...

No, we are to figure things out ourselves...

Well think about it, every BILL passed through legislature requires PAYMENT... every instrument requires PAYMENT... charges, orders... PAYMENT is: money or performance

because they are all negotiable instruments... pushing for payment of money and/or performance...

"WE?"...who is "WE?".....YOU are speaking on behalf of ALL 380+ members?....quo warranto

And WE are the VALUE... they drag us in...

Doesn't that connect some dots, Derek?

Oooh... payment is: signature or performance..

Receiver's Certificate...and im goin'ta bed :P

or SURETY or performance...

Yes, but the dots must connect... me too *yawn*

I once heard that Corporations/countries use bills to finance the debt. They are obliged to endlessly pass bills to assure the IMF that they will raise more revenue to pay the debt.

And this only creates more debt as our VALUE is stolen...

THAT Counter Petitioner can make no payment on any obligation or debt pursuant to the terms of the same said settlement contract until clarification of appropriate tender in payment by the Attorney General and Court is made in amendment to said contract, as herewith requested. 3. THAT No state may make any thing but gold or silver coin tender in payment of debts (Article 1 sec 10, US Constitution), yet no payment in gold or silver may be demanded in payment of any debt or obligation ( HJR 192). Legalese and Legalism (witchcraft and black magic to the natural law as practiced) have long since come to abrogate and contradict the Law of the land, resulting in a Conflict of Law, in Diversity Jurisdiction. 4. THAT neither paper currency nor deposits have value as commodities, as deposits are merely book entries, and it is still a felony to tender any substitute for lawful money in many States. 5. THAT when pressured to identify the form of money to be used to settle a judgment, the 52nd 3rd Judicial District Court of Michigan, Honorable Justice James P. Sheehy presiding, Ruled that "coffee beans" was money, storming out of the court room shouting : "I don’t care if you pay it in coffee beans just so long as you pay it!" (Montgomery Wards v Eugene Glasure case #82-002087 (1982). The judge, as in many unpublished cases, could not bring himself to violate the law in open court on record and declare Federal Reserve Notes to be lawful tender in payment of debts, so Glasure, a Michigan Native, member of the Michigan Militia and personal friend of this Writer, payed the settlement, court costs, and a few of his other debts, in "Coffee Beans," and still carries a large sack of them around with him at all times down to this very day. 6. THAT It was certainly not within the enumerated powers of Congressional authority to transfer the issuing of gold and silver certificates, and ultimately federal reserve notes, to the private Federal Reserve being a foreign power with respect to lawful government, as “Congress may not abdicate [“to give up.. renounce or relinquish—authorities, duties—powers, or responsibility] to transfer to others its legitimate [delegated] functions” Schechter Poultry v. U.S., 29 U.S., 495 U.S. 837, 842 (1935) 7. THAT Federal Reserve Notes may very well be “legal tender” for the United States Territorial federal zone(s) under the Exclusive Legislative jurisdiction of the United States not under Constitutional protection and restrictions; However, both the Constitution and the Law of the Land lead only to one inescapable conclusion : that Federal Reserve Notes certainly are NOT Constitutional tender or lawful money for the Citizens of the 50 sovereign states in these united states of America, in fact, not fiction, outside corporate jurisdiction of law were dead ghosts and fictional persons dwell in commerce, that now and here corrupt and poison the lawful operation of all local governments and courts.

Paul, these are your own writings?

Paul Rowe; Bravo! Gonna read that a couple more times. Thanks

yes. Something happened to me yesterday. Several demons came through my office while I was studying. The temperature droped and all. I physically shaken for hours. But god was with me. Public governments have privatised, to treat private persons as public. Its all a bait and switch

Paul, have you read many of the threads in this group yet?

of course. Ive been falling asleep in the law library scince 97.

I only know how much I stilll dont know

Well then you must be heavily sourced with "clubhouse rules"... there is GOLD here without those... they are a good reference to figuring out why things are as they are...

there are those in Law, and those at Law, exploiting and over throwing it

and theyve been busy, in the details of it

for a long time

as im sure you know, its complex. but not really

Yep, stick with us here... you are a critical thinker, this group will forward your focus. :D

its as simple as right and wrong

Yes, but your focus need move to the PRIVATE side, forget the PUBLIC side

Private administration of your PERSON

LIBERTY. Know your liberties.

Know not "clubhouse rules" know the private side...

you are at liberty in public. More than most know. I was afraid to pass the bar yesterday. Today, I could care less. Charge me.

Isn't liberty something that the admiral chooses to grant (or not) to his crew when the are in port? I say Freedoms, know your freedoms.

Paul Rowe Charge me? How would you deal with a charge?

Well you do not want to operate within the PUBLIC, cause I don't believe we are fictions...

freedoms you call them, I call them liberties and self determination.

What makes the feild of action for fictions only? Fck ficktions. We all know what they are.

Then operate in PRIVATE...

Private and public... attorney terminology for devide and conquere. I am private, and public. And sometime as a private person i want a public record in public

I cant say that im private and want a public record of it. Do you have any idea... how long i have struggled with this?

Im not struggling anymore. I really just dont give a damn. Fck these vodoo priests of sophistry and witchcraft legalize. Tell em I siad holler at me, hit me up, stop by and say hello.

I will file my certification to practice, nearly calling the judge a pedophile molesting the rights of gods children, and then cross the bar and bow srcastically, YOUR EMMINANCE! YOUR EXCELENCY! I am Here to fuck an attorney general like a little coward bitch, and you will let me, for fear that i will fuck you!

Motion for disqualification! You work for his client, the state!

Your honor, i understand that you work for opposing counsels client?

Its that simple

The key, twenty years ago, was conflict of interest. I knew it then. But i made it so much more complicated than it was

the shortest distance between two points

EXACTLY, I love this thinking, remind me ELECTRICITY....electricity ALWAYS use the path of least resistance, and electricity never lie ! :)

Derek Moran "...unless otherwise expressly required;"

..i think this means you are presumed to be the SURETY until say, ohh, you send in a NOTICE OF MISTAKE

Sincerely, "SURETY NOT ACCEPTED, I DO NOT CONSENT AND I DO NOT ATTORN"

Quite a few of these Dhill posts bumped up... Surely that fucktard ain't gunna turn up here again :/