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ENGLISH is the international language of law and commerce. Knowing FRENCH is useful for understanding LEGAL ENGLISH, but FRENCH is not the international language of law and commerce, so we will ignore French speakers who speak to us in the language of a conquered people.

Non.

I understand that you are a proud Québécois, but the people here have nothing but contempt for you because of decades of transfer payments and NONE OF YOU understanding what Quebec sovereignty means. None of you know who Russell Rogers Smith is, and you're too proud and arrogant to teach. Just go away and be Retardier somewhere else.

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Jun 29, 2013 11:26 PM

Ceit Butler

There seems to be an awful lot of squabbling on The Playground lately, usually over opinion, or advice.

Now up until recently, I didn't post that often. If I did, it was either a question, or to state something I knew to be fact. The reason for this being, until I had achieved a favourable outcome in my case (and by "favourable", I mean case dismissed, all charges dropped, not stayed), I was NOT QUALIFIED to!

But I will say this...I would NOT have achieved this outcome, and be sitting where I am now, if I had spent the last seven months arguing, instead of listening, learning, and asking the right questions...

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Tara Duncan

Does "squabbling" also include making repeated references to your failed relationships, the size of your genitals, being offended that your grammar and spelling are so bad as to be nonsensical, or steadfastly ignoring any and all relevant information in your quest to make a net-date?

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Ceit Butler

Absolutely! Anything NOT CONTENT-RELEVANT!

Pay attention, listen more than you speak. If you do speak, stick to things you have first-hand knowledge of, and asking the right questions.

People answering questions, stick to things you have FIRST-HAND KNOWLEDGE OF.

Stating opinions doesn't work. There are no opinions in law, there's truth or lies.

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Scott Duncan

FUN FACT: In 100% of cases where a party does not feel a cold chill go down their spine, when I maniacally laugh, said party did not understand the situation.

This will be no different :P

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Tara Duncan

I read your last comment and am tempted to stop speaking. Perhaps just a few more sentences for Pierre.

If I'm hearing you correctly, you would, by extrapolation, like to experience death to determine how to more fully understand how not to die. You might like to stick your hand in an oven to learn about how to avoid getting burned.

The goal is to live a meaningful life unencumbered by the requirement to be kidnapped, incarcerated, beaten, inconvenienced, financially burdened...by any person or institution.

You can do that most effectively by following the advice in this post.

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Scott Duncan

I always feel like a Chillaen Engineer when when I read stuff like this. I think about the 80+ miners trapped and the awesome engineering they threw together to save them.... and they all thank "God" and say it was "a miracle".

We'll just use this as a teaching aid, next time... and we all know there will be a next time. :D

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Scott Duncan

"if I had spent the last seven months arguing, instead of listening, learning, and asking the right questions..." - This is correct.

She spent the first four months doing that. :P

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Pete Daoust

That imply EVERYBODY I guess ? What you have just wrote Chad imply Everyone in here...you realize that I guess ? Even Scott an Tara's posts.....unless, of course, I have no idea how numbers work :-D

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Ceit Butler

I guess it would help if Facebook had actually posted the ORIGINAL comment first...

Let's try this again:

It was a looooong four months, with MANY hours spent onboard, verbally beating the STUPID out of my head!

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Chad Brodgesell

I can not remember seeing Tara post any non-relevant comments or posts. Do you have to instigate shit most of the time Pete Daoust? Or is it a personal affliction you have that you are still looking for a remedy for ? You again miss the point of my comment. You really can't stand it when people stand up to you even if they may be wrong, you just want to create (see that) CREATE controversy.

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Pete Daoust

I've been dealing with guys like you since I'm very young Chad....I've been ASKING questions when it did not made sense.....and I've been in trouble for doing this countless times...you have no idea man....

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Pete Daoust

Unfortunatly, I KNOW what is 99%, even as a TOKEN, I know what it means...and ANYONE that says 99% of what is in here is irrelevant, is either lying or pulling shit out of his ass. Which one is YOU Chad ?

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Chad Brodgesell

Pete Daoust, your trolling is getting boring now and very predictive. I would question as to why you have been in trouble countless times but I know the answer so I do not need too. Troll somewhere else please. I can not speak for others but you almost make me want to never comment nor ask questions here. You seem to pop up right after you see my name in the comment section like jack in the box toy. Please go back in your box , if not then at least leave your obnoxious side there. Very tiring.

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Pete Daoust

Or you should have say: Thinking of it Pierre, maybe you're right, 99% is a bit exagerate....maybe I should have say 58%, or 45%, or NOTHING, because it's just very complicated to count ALL these posts, figure out which one is irrelevant, and take ALL divided by Ireelevant, which will give you the right number, but wait, considering that YOU decide which one is irrelevant or not, that could be a problem...and a false number could occur...mmmhhhhh ?????

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Chad Brodgesell

Also it is 'would' "That would imply" What is 'it'? You said you know what 'it' means. What is it? "Which one is YOU Chad?"....what the fuck? Sorry, what the fuck are you talking about? Go back on your Medication. I asked you if you were a cop the other day. Stands until rebutted, but even then your attitude is cop like so carry on Pete Daoust, been nice talking with you. Bored now.

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Scott Duncan

So "less than 1% (I'm VERY generous here, if you do the actual math) of your posts are relevant, leaving 99% irrelevant, and the content of this forum would not suffer if everything you ever wrote here was purged; correct?

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Scott Duncan

What do YOU think, Pierre?

Here, use this as a reference. Don't come back until you have read them all. Know my pain.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/tenderforlaw/search/?query=Pete%20Daoust

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David Gyurkovics

ay ay ay!!! what were you talking about Kate? i forgot already. we need a TTFL Shadow Group where people can go and blow off steam and sort out personal stuff (if thats even possible) mixed in with a few legal terms and trivial facts and EVERYONE doesnt have to read it and read it again later as they search through posts AND maybe never even know it happened!!! i would love to not know what going on ;)

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Ceit Butler

Ah, the irony of it all....my post on "Pointless bickering" has turned into...POINTLESS BICKERING. It takes TWO people to argue. What exactly do you expect, when you choose to make antagonistic responses?

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Pete Daoust

ok...see you in jail and/or in hell....and again, I am sorry if I have cause ANY pain to ANY one, but here, right now, I am right, and the ONLY thing I see, is this Chad guy have a SPECIAL PROTECTION of some type, he must be a family member, or someone you like a lot......so I'm gone...bye and thanks for everything....if I can help for anything in the futur....call me.

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Chad Brodgesell

Pete Daoust, just another tip here on how to learn from reading posts. When I print out a great topic that has over 500 posts I redact all the posts by certain members. It shortens the useless reading which takes time otherwise. Sometimes I redact mine too, as they make no sense to the OP and why re-read shit I posted myself. Only problem is the black ink cartridge just does not last like it used too.

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Tara Duncan

I'm going to post a section of a private conversation that took place, oh, about the same time Kate made her original post - apologies for making the private public, but I don't want to retype the same basic thing.

Not paraphrased, it goes exactly like this:

"On another note, welcome to the world of posting interesting and relevant commentary. If history has shown me anything, you will now need to post-sit for a while and drive the point home.

A large number of people will "like" the comment and think it is meaningful and relevant. Some of those same people will heed your advice for 10-15 minutes, and eventually it will devolve into conversations with [edit: people] posting bad videos, talking about their throbbing erections, and squabbling about the direction of the post.

Enjoy!"

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Ceit Butler

Okay, just to be clear, Chad Brodgesell ,this: "Pete Daoust, your trolling is getting boring now and very predictive. I would question as to why you have been in trouble countless times but I know the answer so I do not need too. Troll somewhere else please. I can not speak for others but you almost make me want to never comment nor ask questions here. You seem to pop up right after you see my name in the comment section like jack in the box toy. Please go back in your box , if not then at least leave your obnoxious side there. Very tiring." is pretty antagonistic. This was NOT just a post directed at Pierre....

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Chad Brodgesell

Kate Butler, I 'choose' to when it is DIRECTED at ME. This is what this group is about is it not? In learning how to deal with people that come after you? ? Well? Not trying to be 'controversial' but is this not why we are all here? To stand up and say "Hey! Why are are you meddling in my

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Chad Brodgesell

Tara Duncan, you are right. All I had was an observation regarding the OP. All my questions are trivial to the group so I will only ask if it is concise and also what I really want to ask. Most of the time I find that any question I might ask has already been answered in previous posts if I but read them. Bloody hell be to jesus all this over a comment.:)

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Ceit Butler

No, I'm here to LEARN, not quibble over personal opinion. There is no need to turn questions into a personal attack. And it might help to remember that the person asking you the questions that you are so offended by, English is NOT his first language. And if I recall correctly, he's mentioned having to use software to translate messages. So chances are, a great deal of the questions you are taking so personally, are simply Pierre trying to grasp what is being said, on the other side of the language barrier.

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Ceit Butler

Either way, it's all about perception. One person can't argue all by themselves. If you choose to view a comment as a personal attack, and respond in kind, it has just become an argument.

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Tara Duncan

I'm not a big fan of arguments. Discussions maybe, but I never find arguments are productive. My personal life involves people with uber-alpha personalities who rarely, if ever, have arguments.

We're all human (presumably), and it is human nature to take things personally. The problem with doing this is that you tend to be less effective in your interactions.

Observations are good. Questions are great, if they're relevant. It's even fine to have fun - I'm also a big fan of this, otherwise, why do anything?

Kate is right in that people whose retarded comments are ignored will either think of something more productive to say, or wander off eventually.

Don't worry too much about making a comment or asking for clarification just because you think it may have been covered elsewhere. If you ask the same question 15 times, however, it may be time to think about finding a hobby that doesn't involve deep thought.

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Tara Duncan

In other news, I finally found "this note is legal tender" on one of the new see-through $20 bills. It took 5 minutes, a pair of reading glasses and a magifying glass. Holy "fine print" batman!

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Scott Duncan

This is the "Will Preach Leeman" argument; "You're too mean to be right, and you're right all the time, but you're mean so it doesn't count".

Plus nobody else has a chance to be right, because I FUCKING RESERVED THEM ALL! :D

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Chad Brodgesell

I disagree with you. Maybe I should emulate his method of 'language barrier' and see what happens. I do not think that you nor anyone else would be okay with that. Yet when someone trolls you , you are suggesting that it simple be "Oh well, let it go. It is not worth it to respond"? Is this not what people all around the world are doing right now? Is this not what the Government wants you to do? Just cave in? Is this not the CORE problem of the world today? People ALLOWING others to run over them? MY perception is, if you come after me I will respond. If you disagree with someone choosing to respond to ANY FORM of attack upon themselves is that not what your local government and above want of you? To tell someone else that it is not right for them to respond to an attack against them? So Kate Butler, Who do YOU want me to go to or what form do you want me to fill out to 'Complain'? . I disagree with you. Some one comes after me I WILL RESPOND. . THIS IS WHY WE ARE HERE. To learn HOW TO RESPOND WHEN SOMEONE COMES AFTER YOU. If I am wrong on this.... Someone with admin authority on this group BAN me NOW as I can recall upon joining this group "NON topic discussion will get you banned." Do you not ***SEE*** the lower layers here? This argue/controversy IS the reason why we are here. Sht I hope I said all that right. FUCKING BAN me IF I am WRONG in the intent.

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Gail Marie

just my two cents worth, Chad your latest responses of questioning is a good way to respond, rather then defending which causes the controversy, where as questioning creates discussion and also provides an opportunity to clarify intents and perceptions? As-King ;)

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Scott Duncan

OOO yes! If I MUST be employed, THAT is the job I want! What OTHER profession allows you to put PSYCHO THE RAPIST on their business card! :D

Hell yes!

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Scott Duncan

Gail Blackman doesn't like-rape my posts like she used to :(

I can only assume it's age catching up...

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Tara Duncan

Well Kate, at no time did you mention the words childish or arrested development. You have to use all the words in a good court document. And/or is your friend.

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Gail Marie

I would accept your offer of the pee along with one of the generators..and counter offer that it not be on me but placed in the generator :)

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Tara Duncan

TTFL now accepting applications for Jesus the Gardner, Miss Whistlewhetter, and Prince the Sheepdog. It will also be an endearing Disney-esque story of struggle, best friends, and eco-friendly energy.

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Chad Brodgesell

Kate Butler, you are not wrong. If you go into ANY court pissed off and arguing n screaming the obvious will happen to you. They will put you some where where hopefully you can not hurt your self or others. But you are making the assumption that AM LIKE THIS to everyone from your above reply. You would be wrong. Go back through ALL ***ALL*** my posts. Funny how it only happens AFTER ***Pete Daoust*** jumps on me. You your self are making assumptions which are false and because those assumptions are directed at me then I MUST RESPOND. This is Law is it not? An assumption stated stands until rebutted? See the layers here? This IS LAW. Right now! No rebuttal then the statement/assumption stands. Do you want me to 2 more layers down into the rabbit hole? Sorry, 1 more layer. I am not sure of the next yet. If I am wrong I am sure Scott will tear me a new one and Tara make it even wider with a broken bottle. I may not know the right words and/or phrase and/or definitions but I DO KNOW that all this LAW stuff in and of it self is only one layer. The LAW stuff does not scare me, the layer under that does. I too have been on court, one I lost next 4 I won. In not one of them did I argue or create controversy. Just angry and lashing out. Interesting. Sorry, are you saying that your response to going to court is not directly related to being 'angry' that someone has gone against you? Are you saying that 'lashing out' is not a direct response of protecting yourself from being attacked?

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Scott Duncan

Yes but a private agreement with a pee-man-on-the-land is sealed with the other party consuming a litere of my semen. It's difficult to do, and takes a while to finish...it's not like signing in commerce. :P

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Tara Duncan

Is there not a contractual "cooling off" period?

Does anyone else think of Carl for the role "Prince the Faithful Sheepdog" (unless your picture is not an accurate personal repesentation). :P

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Gail Marie

ancient (n.) "standard-bearer," 1550s, a corruption of ensign

ensign (n.) late 14c., via Scottish, from Old French enseigne (12c.) "mark, symbol, signal; flag, standard, pennant,"

I see nothing related to pee in the definition of these words, although I guess it could be your mark lol

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Beverly Berta Braakschmack

I`m reading your mail Kate. After 7 months here I have found it essential to scroll through quickly when there are certain ramblings, arguing, one word sentence posts, and 50 of them in a row... Other than when someone comes on and wants to argue with Scott... those ones you do NOT want to miss!

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Tara Duncan

Note to Kate: "squabbling and/or childish references and/or conversations involving obsenity or bodily fluids and/or retardo-speak and/or anything else that pisses me off" - HA - still on topic.

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Ceit Butler

Ah, but Chad, YOU were the one to reference this behavior as being what you have come here to learn. I'm saying, "lashing out" may be the programmed reaction, but the process of learning to "think right" includes examining the reasons WHY you have these pre-programmed results, and taking steps to think differently and react in PRODUCTIVE ways.

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Tara Duncan

We're wasting a valuable fuel (and porn) source here so let me just say this.

The best web site disclaimer I ever saw was, "By entering this web site you agree not to sue me for any reason."

Perhaps another choice in telling people to stop pissing on the threads (see how I worked this in?) is to request that they only make comments that add to the discussion and/or don't piss everyone off.

I have often thought a play area for people who take things personally, or who can't stay on topic, would be a great idea; sort of like the short-bus thread to practice social interaction before going off into the adult area.

Thanks, Kate, for reiterating a good point.

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Ceit Butler

Except for the fact that each time has been in response to a post of mine, and not Pierre's. (Except for the arrangement you and Gail Blackman are hashing out, that one's AAAAAAAAAAAALLLL on you guys! ;)

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Chad Brodgesell

A question to the members and admins here in this group. So we are only allowed to talk about law and such but not practice what is being explained/discussed? Interesting concept. Considering that IT IS THE INTENT of what is being spoken that holds higher ground rather then the form and/or wording. Is this not law? Some see arguing. Well if that is what you see, cool. Kate Butler, yes. Lashing out in productive ways. Have you not noticed that you RESPOND EVERY TIME I use your name in a post? I am asking you questions as to your posts for clarification. You might see this as lashing out. Now ask yourself how many posts you have made in the last say 2 weeks that I have DIRECTLY attacked you on some thing about those posts. Go back through all your posts and find out. Maybe you should reread my posts here in this thread. You just might find you where taking certain things for granted. I digress. The question again. Worded differently though. So here in this group we are not supposed to respond to DIRECT attacks and trolling? Well I have only one response to that. I will simple shut the fuck up and go back to lurk mode since there some valuable info here that I wish to partake of. I do this not because I do not want to respond and/or comment. I do this because trying to have a discussion here is impossible with people who can not see that this 'arguing' of mine is in reality just practicing law yet at the same time it is a RESPONSE that someone else started. This is just tiring now and a waste of time. Bye.

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Scott Duncan

DUDE! This a FACEBOOK GROUP. A MASSIVELY disposable resource where you get FREE (Not "buy my super-secret DVD") information/knowledge.

In exchange for this MASSIVE VALUE in the CIA Data-mining pool that is Facebook, you follow whatever arbitrary rule an admin pulls out of his or her ass.

I hope that clears up any questions you may have on this issue.

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Ceit Butler

Is this, perhaps, some sort of strange new aversion therapy? Now, every time I open my mouth, a corner receives a golden shower? This seems to be more detrimental to your carpet, than anything else :D

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Tara Duncan

Beverly...you should know three security alarms went off on our network, when you posted that link.

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Tara Duncan

"DUDE! This a FACEBOOK GROUP. A MASSIVELY disposable resource where you get FREE (Not "buy my super-secret DVD") information/knowledge.

In exchange for this MASSIVE VALUE in the CIA Data-mining pool that is Facebook, you follow whatever arbitrary rule an admin pulls out of his or her ass.

I hope that clears up any questions you may have on this issue."

This is HILARIOUS, and 3 people "liked" it?

Are there any people on this forum, or are you a bunch of clever, but badly coded bots?

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