Jun 11, 2013 8:45 PM

Land is where LEGAL matters have jurisdiction. There is no "Legal" on the water. It's INTERNATIONAL Jurisdiction then, and the UCC is PRIMARILY for establishing Jurisdiction.

Dry-dock---land jurisdiction. Harbor Master.

yes but since you have said before Bildo you filed an UCC so they have jurisdiction of you at sea now also?

No. He has OBLIGATION. Don't worry, it's shit you'd do anyway. In exchange, your claim is protected by the UCC. It's your choice.

Okay that was my next question. Oh by the way Scott are you reading my mind lol :)

Your always 50 moves ahead of me Scott lol :)

No, I've just done this for years. I simply answer the most obvious question that will follow.

Too save the time lol

No they DO NOT have jurisdiction over me at sea. That's why I did it. I have a lien on the vessel. At sea or on land. Dry-dock.

Like I said before, the only visible good it did for me was back up my tax exempt status. I'd rather not use all that shit.

Okay then answer me this Bildo. If your goal is too be sovereign. and you use LEGAL TENDER you do know That you then lose SOVEREIGNTY right?

you cant claim both citizen and sovereignty

FRN are LEGAL TENDER To discharge a debt with the surety is lawful. and sovereign :)

You're right. I use legal tender under duress.....And redeem all checks as lawful money pursuant to 12USC411. All debt should be discharged according to public policy because we are not authorized to use FRN's. I need to meet with my fed res branch bank president, again, to finish my pass-through account to treasury for debt discharge. It can be a little slow. The banks "legal team" did not say no.

once you touch legal tender you lose

Got that right.

Every time this subject comes up the thread get off topic. and the process is then lost. I am working on the correct question to ask myself too get this problem solved.

Now lets stay on the topic of this thread :)

Good idea. I just answered a question asked of me. Back to it......

Okay how do they lose jurisdiction if your on land?

I want facts not opinion

i've just been considering buying a houseboat - i can see its appeal

I thought land was where lawful -not legal- matters had jurisdiction?

The law of the land is Admiralty/Maritime. There is no law at sea or air/space. :)

The legal practice on land is admiralty in the sense that they through trickery has converted the land into sea,-but the law of the land is common law, isn't it?

No. it is what I just said it was. it is by your consent to this is how they gain jurisdiction. our body have always been considered vessels with soul/cargo. :)

Our consent,-which is obtained through collusion-can be interpreted as a means to make legalisation lawful, but in our country at least there is a difference between maritime law & national legislation. Maritime law is however applied by deceit. Isn't that how it works?

And how is it that maritime admiralty is not applicable at sea?

Because there is no law at sea it is international waters.

Not owned by the IMF, The Vatican etc? Do you have some links to this?

How it works is world wide. That is why the notice of mistake works world wide

Wow, I totally missed out on this!! Thank you. So admiralty just works for internal waters...

no no no

just land

But if I place my boat (not me) in the salty waters outside my house, it is still defined as national maritime territory so the houseboat thing doesn't work except at high seas. I understand the maritime admiralty thing on land-landmass is defined as internal waters; only mountain tops are land-at least in our country.

no this is called a safe harbor

Ah!!! So can safe harbor be found anywhere when we lien our BC?

I dont know that answer yet

The only safe harbor is in the contracts in which thyself is the author.

Scott Duncan: Land is where LEGAL matters have jurisdiction. There is no "Legal" on the water. It's INTERNATIONAL Jurisdiction then, and the UCC is PRIMARILY for establishing Jurisdiction.