Jun 01, 2013 5:43 PM

OMG this is the first relevant question ever asked here!

Have a "like", and consider this post "Pinned".

Derek Moran, report to this thread please! ;)

The root of mans slavery.

Taken from Money as Debt III

"MONEY IS THE MEASURE BY WHICH GOODS ARE VALUED, THE VALUE BY WHICH GOODS ARE EXCHANGED, AND IN WHICH CONTRACTS ARE MADE PAYABLE

MONEY IS NOT THE VALUE FOR WHICH GOODS ARE EXCHANGED BUT THE VALUE BY WHICH GOODS ARE EXCHANGED"

Joel Kinmond, actually posted the answer in another thread!

http://youtu.be/VCbXwlgdGRQ

OK, not really. This isn't the right answer to "what is real money", but it's very compelling! :D

strands of black licorice?

oh, ah, so THAT's what Admiral Duncan has been waiting for....

Is Admiral Derek from Newfoundland?

What did i say about referring to me as Admiral? Its an insult to someone who actually IS an Admiral. But you've posed an interesting question, nonetheless.

What IS Actual Money, or, what WAS Actual Money?

Signed, Order-in-Council #16 April 10, 1933

Gold

Bills of Exchange were initially utilized because it was more convenient than risking having your ship filled with GOLD sailing across the ocean and SINKING...bit of a bitch to recover, any Spanish Armada would tell you that

IS. Stop focusing on the past Derek Moran! That shit is only EVIDENCE. The past isn't REAL anymore.

The question posed is WHAT IS REAL MONEY!

Why must you people make shit up?

What's that Derek? So busy focusing on clubhouse rules, and the past, that you can't answer the question NOW?

I like perspective. :P

ACTUAL money now is debt-and-credit. How that is achieved however, is rather circuitous and interesting to examine in itself...

Remember that whole "Thinks wrong and values the wrong things" thing I was mentioning earlier? ;)

Derek Moran is chronically thinking wrong and focusing on the wrong things. It's as traditional around here as our Token French Guy. :D

Quite frankly, the more interesting question to me Scott would be- "What is Valuable Consideration?"

Well, I only have opinion. Real money is something I can trade my labor for which has value to either me (if I choose to be the end user) or someone else who wants to trade me something of value of theirs. It could be a medium of exchange, such as gold, silver, or paper money, or it could be a commodity like lettuce. Actually, if lettuce stored well, I would stockpile that shit!

Debt

Someone else's valuable contrabution to the world ?

One thing about the movie 'Minority Report' that has always stuck with me, is when Tom Cruise was handed what looked like a credit-card. Though the value of it wasnt described in terms of how many DOLLARS it was worth, he was told how many "CREDITS" it was worth...of course that was a decade ago, and didnt know why at the time that struck me strange- BUT, i didnt know Scott Duncan at the time either

bartering is a verb. So no

Well Derek Moran, that would be you making shit up and ignoring the original question again. Let me try again...

*sigh*

Ok. Please pay attention to the question posed:

WHAT IS REAL MONEY?

That is all you need to focus on...

Not the clubhouse rules Not shit strangers BELIEVE is money Not debt-based FIAT notes

NOTHING LIKE THAT.

Just the question of fact: WHAT IS REAL MONEY?

Why is this so hard?

Blake Gardner hit the nose-on-the-head recently- "Money is my SIGNATURE"

EXCEPT, you just cant go around handing-out pieces-of-paper with your SIGNATURE on it to people to get shit........unless their NEGOTIABLE INSTRUMENTS ;)

We had this conversation over the phone, Scott. "Money is simply debit-and-credit," as i recall.....

Money = debt = liability

Are you facepalming my last comment?

Something you can trade with....

Money is a promise of performance from another person the value is in people and the skills they posses those that have the money impose the liabilty on those that don't which is why money is a tender for law ?? Am i even close

money is only a medium of exchange that people accept

nothing more

Real money is something you can trade with

an IOU is a Note. Currently we are trading NOTES. A NOTE is absolutely a security instrument

While we're on the subject Scott, you mentioned something about the Consolidated Revenue Fund being even mentioned in the Bills of Exchange Act(or something to that effect)...ive looked and i havent seen any mention of that, was it another Act you maybe were talking about?

A note is legal tender = an offer of law

yes, and the Notes we are currently trading in have perceived value...ie, if I accept them, I am pretty sure I can trade them for food, so that would be considered money too....yes?

Ok...Real money is something I can trade with :-P

Of course. I am considering ACTUAL MONEY" something I can earn and then trade.

Carl Dunne A note is legal tender = an offer of law Nice, simpler for the masses --an offer of Terms which is agreed upon which make the law. this is the way I see it as Law is derived from Agreement.

anything that 2 or more parties agree to use for exchange of goods. This can simple be the goods them selves such as Barter.

Derek Moran, I'm pretty sure I am not typing in Yiddish here.

Do you remember in the distant past when I posted the following?

**** Well Derek Moran, that would be you making shit up and ignoring the original question again. Let me try again...

*sigh*

Ok. Please pay attention to the question posed:

WHAT IS REAL MONEY?

That is all you need to focus on...

Not the clubhouse rules Not shit strangers BELIEVE is money Not debt-based FIAT notes

NOTHING LIKE THAT.

Just the question of fact: WHAT IS REAL MONEY?

****

Now I really need you to read that CAREFULLY. Don't post anything except the answer to that question.

STOP MAKING SHIT UP

I'd imagine Scott has retired to bang his head off the wall...

well, if you trade the food for something else, then yes. If you are the end user, then no. But as I stated from the beginning, I am speaking in opinion

Money is debit-and-credit. Am i right or wrong?

anything people agree to use is money

money is just a symbol of trade

Anything used in exchange of something else is money. This obviously implies that the parties involved agree withit.

Would actual money be the workforce and skills of those that give it it's value ?

That would be the exchange of time/effort for something else.---money

:-D

opposite of that, its the value of the labour and what you agree to exchange for that labour

*drumming fingers*

or a goat...I'l work for a day for a goat.

TIME

whatever you agree to exchange is the currency

The fucking clock on the wall :-D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Wi8Fv0AJA4

a promise to pay

Time = Money and the only REAL value I have.

So REAL money has to be TIME

I agree Pierre. or the medium for exchange of the TIME

Fuck I'm a REAL genius right NOW

Fuck you freezebee

But is it ACTUAL money. Notice that I said this was the first relevant question ever asked here.

Use the TENDER FOR LAW METHOD(tm) and LOOK UP ALL THE WORDS! ESPECIALLY THE ONES YOU THINK YOU KNOW!

...and sorry for calling Derek Moran. He's a distraction. I see that now.

Call me Scott :-D you will have the best sleep ever after we hang up the phone :-D

Actual a. Existing in reality and not potential, possible, simulated, or false: See Synonyms at real. b. Based on fact: The actual history of the voyage is different from the popular accounts. 2. Conforming to the characteristics of a group or type; typical:

money (mn) n. pl. mon—eys or monies 1. A medium that can be exchanged for goods and services and is used as a measure of their values on the market, including among its forms a commodity such as gold, an officially issued coin or note, or a deposit in a checking account or other readily liquefiable account. 2. The official currency, coins, and negotiable paper notes issued by a government. 3. Assets and property considered in terms of monetary value; wealth. 4. a. Pecuniary profit or loss: He made money on the sale of his properties. b. One's salary; pay: It was a terrible job, but the money was good. 5. An amount of cash or credit: raised the money for the new playground. 6. Sums of money, especially of a specified nature. Often used in the plural: state tax moneys; monies set aside for research and development. 7. A wealthy person, family, or group: to come from old money; to marry into money.

Scroll up to the original source.

I swapped out ACTUAL with REAL, and none of you noticed.

The answer is at the beginning of this thread. You now know why it's so hard to find the "gold" here.

None of you actually focus on the subject at hand. :( You are all fucked. I can slip anything in, and you focus on bullshit... even when I tell you that you do it.

NONE of you started reading the words and getting their meaning. You just made shit up. While you are all focused on that, I switched the words.

You all deserve to be controlled. You don't know anything else :(

I did notice

I actually noticed that but i'm in shut the fuck up mode now because i obviously haven't a clue .

We are real money!

I also noticed and ignored it and continue with the ACTUAL MONEY idea.

May as well post it now...

real money. 1. Money that has metallic or other intrinsic value, as distinguished from paper currency, checks, and drafts. 2. Current cash, as opposed to money on account

I was holding out to see if you all got it.. :p

I AM REAL MONEY :D...thanks girl brain for ACTUALIZING my brain :/ (something like that )

Google is about to send a freaking HUGE bill to THE TENDER FOR LAW :(

This should be re-named the "What Scott means when he says we focus on the wrong things" thread

None of you see how vulnerable you are. :(

No Eamonn O Brien, we would look idiots if this was name like that :(

As opposed to the genius' we resemble now? :)

Yes I do. While we were busy arguing our opinions, you changed the matter at hand. Damn!

I've been HIDING this VULNERABILITY all my life, you have NO IDEA how I'm aware of that shit vulnerability thing

...and here's Tom with the weather...

Seriously Scott Duncan, do you REALLY think that WE are all that STUPID ?....seriously ?

There IS a Maxim-of-Law: "In law, all definitions are DANGEROUS." So Scott has a point... i.e. REAL v. ACTUAL

No homonyms

Question for you Scott Duncan how long does it take the average man to fully comprehend what you are saying in your experiance. In a couple of months here i see a vast improvement in my thinking but that improvement is only the realisation of how far away from getting it all i am ?. I refuse to fall into a belief i wont get this at some point .

Stupid is as stupid does! :D I heard that from a `Tard in the movies. :D

As i moved onto reading about how Dean Kory got football-tackled last night, i still see people giving the definition of what REAL MONEY is, when Scott has succinctly asked what ACTUAL MONEY is...and i would go grab my Dictionary of Canadian Law myself, but i just dont feel like it right now ;)

Well, let me phrase this the best I can.....If I AM that stupid, how come I'm still here after 5 months ?, How come I begged to re-enter this group, and whatever you guys may think, I don't beg easy, I KNOW Scott Duncan is right, How a stupid idiot human would KNOW that ? so fuck off, I'm not stupid, :D

Carl Dunne, your question is ambiguous. Average MAN? Or are women included too?

Man and/or Woman from what culture?

How much of the relevant subjects do they already know?

I have nothing to say/contribute, he's right. A good question was asked and we all went off....some where, but not where we should have been :(

Fastest was 7 months, and the slowest (and they failed) was 30 years.

Lots of Go of informations from these questions

Here's a carrot,,,,never mind the stick.....focus on the carrot

Derek, other way round. Actual was swapped for Real....The new question is in a comment, not the original post...

..i concede-the-point to Eamonn O Brien then

The word REAL was used a couple of times actually... Goddammit! :(

...and none of you are any closer to the ACTUAL (See what I did there? :D ) question.

Well i wasnt going to say person Scott Duncan as i'm a man. Male and female distinguish between the sex's no mankind is the name of our species

A MAN cannot do it in 7 months.

Only women have that ability. Just accept that.

ACTUAL, adj. REAL, in opposition to constructive, as in actual POSSESSION or actual occupation. Dictionary of Canadian Law, 3rd-edition.

"...actual POSSESSION..." - using this logic, would ACTUAL MONEY then be LEGAL TENDER that we have ACTUAL POSSESSION of in our pockets? :/

Only women have that ability. Just accept that.

I didn't have to UN-LEARN anything, and it took me a decade.

I can accept that, i have the benifit of not having listened to half the bullshit out there and was wondering what time frame the "average person" take's i myself was thinking a year or two and not seven months and was not taking various factors into consideration ie relevant subjects and such

Mmmm, Actual Money is exchanged for something else, or in certain circumstances more of itself. BUT only while the exchange is taking place. before or after it is something else.

Another decade before I could even leverage what I know!

You are slow Scott Duncan :/

...and I didn't have google.

Ha...ok, that is why it took you so long ...I see

Remember these huge Fraser's books ?

When I got close, I always ended up inflicting violence or threatening it. A self-aware 10 year-old is NOT somebody you want to withhold information from when they know they aren't criminally accountable for their actions. ;)

Off-topic, but highly relevant if you ever end-up in Dean Kory's shoes. Maxim-of-Law i just stumbled upon:

ACTOR SEQUITUR FORUM REI: "A plaintiff MUST take the case to the DEFENDANT'S jurisdiction" :) :)

Yes derek. That's why focusing on THEIR jurisdiction is such a fucking waste of time.

I can't wait to receive this book :)

The Lord (Scott), works in mysterious ways.....Lord Sidious, that is ;)

Hey Derek Moran, This maxim explaine MY case with QRA entirely :D

WHO FUCKING CARES FREEZEBEE ?

"administrative segregation" - That's what "going to the hole" is called?

yes Scott Duncan

*sigh* It's true! There are no prisoners, only "trustees".

REAL, adj.: 1. Relating to land as opposed to chattels 2. TANGIBLE. see CHATTELS REAL. Dictionary of Canadian Law, 3rd-edition. > TANGIBLE

Administrative Segregation

Look THOSE words up.

"Trustees" who didnt follow Acts and statutes?

Re-siding in their jurisdiction to complete rehabilitation then once completed you leave... Much like a resident Doctor studying at a particular hospital...

Segregation - The act of separating...

SEGREGATION, n.: 1. the act of setting apart, ISOLATING, or SECLUDING a person or body of persons from the general body of persons 2. Whether ADMINISTRATIVE or punitive as in this appeal, is a form of INCARCERATION more restrictive than the incarceration experienced by the general prison population. It results in a deprivation of that residual LIBERTY interest possessed by prisoners within our penetentiaries This deprivation represents a further confinement of the APPELLANT in a prison WITHIN a prison. Winters v. Legal Services Society, 1999. Dictionary of Canadian Law, 3rd-edition.

Hey, how much can you charge for 15 years of INCARCERATION :D

Real money is measured in terms of purchasing power rather than nominal value; adjusted for inflation.

incarceration - the state of being imprisoned; "he was held in captivity until he died"; "the imprisonment of captured soldiers"; "his ignominious incarceration in the local jail"; "he practiced the immurement of his enemies in the castle dungeon"

Real Money = Blood :D

My swet, my blood, my TIME = MONEY !!! :D

ACTUAL money is your ACTUAL VALUE. The only thing of VALUE is TIME.

...so get `em while they are young. ;)

No, Pierre. JUST your time. Nobody values your sweat and blood.

ADMINISTRATIVE, adj: 1. "...It is reasonable to interpret 'administrative' as describing those FUNCTIONS OF GOVERNMENT which are NOT performed by the Legislative Assembly and the Courts. Broadly speaking, it describes that part of Government which ADMINISTERS the law and governmental policy." Ontario (Ombudsman) v. Ontario (Health Disciplines Board), 1979. 2. That which concerns MINISTERIAL or EXECUTIVE action, used in contradistinction to JUDICIAL, QUASI-JUDICIAL, or legislative. Dictionary of Canadian Law, 3rd-edition.

Well, without my swet and blood, I HAVE NO TIME TO OFFER

We ARE time, that's all we have really...

That may be the dumbest thing ever posted here, Pierre.

What Scott ?

Oh fuck Scott Duncan, I can dig some darker stuff...let me check that out !

How will your declaration above make anyone value your gory blood, and/or your stinky sweat?

Nobody values your blood and sweat, no matter how much it hurts your feelings.

I should of thaught about Daniel J Wentz advice regarding the send button :(

should could wouldah

Anyway.. I said it, so I said it...fuck it...let's move on

and mould

I'm scared when I write THAUGHT or THOUGHT

If you are not going to produce currency flow to the credit side for us, then you are a debt which we would much prefer not having. No production on the balance sheet? Then go die in a corner and turn to dust so another debt is no incurred to us. So sayith the Government?

An English customer came to my shop last week, I was freaking out about my IMPROVED English speaking....really, thanks to Tara Duncan for bringing all this to my attention...( just saying)

OK, I answered the question.

New Pinned Post.

I posted early in this thread :Would actual money be the workforce and skills of those that give it it's value ? so i wasn't a mile off just the added factor of time ? Or should i re-enter shut the fuck up mode :)

MONEY: Money is the measure by which goods are valued, the value by which goods are exchanged, and in which Contracts are made payable. Everything receives a value from it’s use, and the value is raised, according to its Quality, Quantity, and Demand. Money is not the value for which goods are exchanged, but the value by which they are exchanged. (John Law, political economist, 1705).

Exactly what Eamonn O Brien said with a bonus sentence!

The coup de grâce to Canada’s adherence to the gold standard was finally delivered on 10 April 1933 when an Order-in-Council officially suspended the redemption of Dominion notes for gold. www.bankofcanada.ca/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/dollar_book.pdf

Don't you mean "lawful money"?

As was the case in other countries that left the gold standard during the 1930s, this move was expected to be temporary, with a return to the gold standard widely anticipated once the economic climate improved (Bordo and Kydland 1992).

http://www.bankofcanada.ca/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/dollar_book.pdf

..most underrated thread on this page:

Scott Duncan: I swapped out ACTUAL with REAL, and none of you noticed.

The answer is at the beginning of this thread. You now know why it's so hard to find the "gold" here.

None of you actually focus on the subject at hand. You are all fucked. I can slip anything in, and you focus on bullshit... even when I tell you that you do it.

NONE of you started reading the words and getting their meaning. You just made shit up. While you are all focused on that, I switched the words.

You all deserve to be controlled. You don't know anything else

Wow, that's almost two years ago :-D

Whatever the parties involved in an exchange agree .

ACTUAL MONEY: See Satoshi Nakamoto.

We are changing the world, and we have to stop and explain what money is.

...you deserve everything that is coming