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Non.

I understand that you are a proud Québécois, but the people here have nothing but contempt for you because of decades of transfer payments and NONE OF YOU understanding what Quebec sovereignty means. None of you know who Russell Rogers Smith is, and you're too proud and arrogant to teach. Just go away and be Retardier somewhere else.

Volume 2

May 22, 2013 8:32 PM

Derek Moran

The PERSON/INDIVIDUAL/Having, or NOT having, to IDENTIFY yourself to a Police Officer- thread.....

The Police Officers Manual of Criminal Law and Criminal Offences 2000's definition of PERSON, is a tad different than the one they provide for US in the Criminal Code, as you'll see here:

PERSON. 1. The scope of "person" as set out in s.2 of the Criminal Code R.S.C. 1985, c. C-46 extends somewhat beyond the individual, covering additionally public bodies, corporations, societies and companies, but, groups having common characteristics such as race, religion, colour and ethnic origin ARE NOT included in the definition (R. v. Keegstra, [1990] 3 S.C.R. 697) 2. The term, as used in s. 203 of the Criminal Code, R.S.C. 1970, c. C-34 is SYNONOMOUS with the term "human being" (R. v. Sullivan, [1991] 1 S.C.R. 3. In the context of s. 11(b) of the Charter includes CORPORATIONS (R. v. *photocopy blurs here* Inc., [1992] 1 S.C.R. 843) 4. "Persons are of two classes only - natural persons and legal persons. A natural person is a human being, that has the capacity for rights or duties. A legal person is anything to which the law gives a legal or fictitious existence and personality, with capacity for rights and duties. The ONLY legal person known to our law is the CORPORATION - the BODY CORPORATE" (Hague v. Cancer Relief & Research Institute, [1939] 4 D.L.?*blurry* (Man. K.B.)).

Derek Moran: Maxim-of-Law: Man(homo) is a term of nature; person(persona) is a CIVIL term.

Scott Duncan: ONLY A "PERSON" CAN BUY ANYTHING.

Scott Duncan: The group is called THE TENDER FOR LAW, not THE TENDER FOR BULLSHIT. That's Robert Menard's group.

PERSON is a LEGAL term for EQUITY. No "sea monsters" and no bullshit.

YOU ARE NOT A PERSON, you HAVE a person.

Derek Moran: ..wheres Fukyiro when'ya need her

Scott Duncan: OMFG..I was drinking coffee when I read that

Derek Moran: LMAO.. did it go out your nose?

Scott Duncan: ...now I have to clean up.

Derek Moran: Article 6.

Everyone has the right to recognition everywhere as a person before the law.

http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/

Eamonn O Brien: To understand the PERSON better one should probably equate it to one's penis... I don't want to use it until I want to use it... etc...

Derek Moran: ..and i suspect if you have the RIGHT to recognition as a person before the law, then; you would also have the right to WAIVE that right if the legal-system is trying to use the term PERSON to screw you with it ?

Eamonn O Brien: DC touched on that subject... It's not a question of being recognised as the person though... Transfer the right to them, let them use it if they want...

Scott Duncan: In ONTARIO? I gotcha covered!

https://www.facebook.com/notes/scott-duncan/give-in-lieu-of-identification/513494008717076

Derek Moran: Scott mentioned in another thread about PERSON in the Criminal Code: its either "Her Majesty," or an "organization"...which one AM I??

Daslow Aizelasi: In the CCC EVERY ONE is "her majesty" or an organization the Interpretation Act defines a “PERSON” “(ncludes a corporation and the heirs, executors, administrators, or other legal representatives of a person to whom the context can apply according to law.” The Interpretation act, R.S.O. 1990, c. I. 11, s. 29(1) the Canadian Law Dictionary defines an "artificial person" as is not a human being but is known as a person by law to whom rights and duties may attach

This passage is from SALHANYS Police Manual about having to IDENTIFY yourself...

"The common law does not require a citizen to identify oneself or carry identification of any sort..." Koechlin v. Waugh, (1957), 118 C.C.C. 24 (Ont C.A.).... and ...."...the common law has never considered it an offence of obstruction for a person to refuse to identify oneself and thus prevent a police officer from carrying out his or her general duties to investigate crimes." As was noted by Lord Parker, Chief Justice of England in Rice v. Connolly, [1966] 2 Q.B. 414 (Eng. Div. Ct.) at pg. 419:

http://www.carswell.com/product-detail/salhanys-police-manual-of-arrest-seizure-and-interrogation-tenth-edition-formerly-the-police-manual-of-arrest-seizure-and-interrogation/

check page/section 610 of this case from 1960, Supreme Court defines what exactly is meant by the designation our public-servants give us when using the term 'INDIVIDUAL'

http://www.canlii.org/eliisa/highlight.do?text=definition+of+individual&language=en&searchTitle=Canada+%28Federal%29+-+Supreme+Court+of+Canada&path=%2Fen%2Fca%2Fscc%2Fdoc%2F1960%2F1960canlii62%2F1960canlii62.html

Scott Duncan: BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

OH FUCK THE LAW SLAYS ME!

LMAO!

...i think I just hurt myself laughing.

Derek Moran: Ontario Court of Justice - Provincial Offences: "There are three different types of Provincial Offence Notices. A Part I is commonly referred to as a ticket that is issued to an INDIVIDUAL..."

http://www.elgincounty.ca/main-menu/departments/ontario-court-justice-provincial-offences

CanLII - 1960 CanLII 62 (SCC)

canlii.org

Taxation—Income tax—Exemption claimed as a personal corporation—Claim rejected—The Income Tax Act, R.S.C. 1952, c. 148, ss. 63(1)(2), 68(1)(a),139(1)(u)(ac).

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Scott Duncan

Then you look up the same ACT/STATUTE in QUEBEC and REPLACE it. You can do that with your computer and that thing lying on your desk, which has those funny symbols on them (Hint: These are the letters of the alphabet).

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Scott Duncan

One of the great things about trust you can RELY on; It's profitable!

Make porn when you are young, and sell it when you are too old to give a shit! In the meantime, make an encrypted archive that can't be opened for 25 years!

I'm pretty sure I have a few hundred thousand banked that way :D

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Joseph Davia

Hi guys I have been researching NZ Legislation trying to find out if we have anything here that resembles the Ontario Change of Name Act or if there is anything else here that is close to this particular Act - Nothing exists here covering the use of the name on Birth Cert's or any benefits attached to it....have so far managed to escape the courts clutches regarding non payment of company/personal Income Taxes but they tried to get me on failing to file company/personal Income Tax forms for past 10yrs - I managed to get judge to acknowledge the all caps name was not the same as on my BC (in NZ given names are written in upper and lower case) not capitalised as on all summons and court documents, but because the all caps identity wasn't in court the accusers (IRD) can re PRESENT the case back to court and prosecute in its absence which they did - now they have sent documents in upper and lower case name telling me that fines were imposed and that an attachment order has gone to my bank and they will be deducting money from the bank account - I want to use your "Give in lieu of identification" notice but not sure what to Write in place of the ontario change of name act, as Like I said above we have nothing similar in NZ legislation/law. Any help/suggestions gratefully accepted, since my court appearence they are now addressing all mail/correspondence in my upper/lower case name, thereby trying to create joinder.

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Joseph Davia

AM new to all this having spent past 3yrs researching the Freeman way of doing things until I was somehow led to you guys and the contract for law page, so am in a totally new learning curve sorry if this has already been answered but if it has its been well buried cos have searched for an answer all down the postings on your pages

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Derek Moran

"trust" does not mean the duties incident to an estate conveyed by way of mortgage but, with this exception, includes implied and constructive trusts and cases where the trustee has some beneficial estate or interest in the subject of the trust, and extends to and includes the duties incident to the OFFICE OF PERSONAL REPRESENTATIVE OF A DECEASED PERSON, and "trustee" has a corresponding meaning and includes a trustee however appointed and several joint trustees;

http://www.search.e-laws.gov.on.ca/en/isysquery/2d25c6ea-cc00-4759-8620-378ac5c58e2a/1/doc/?search=browseStatutes&context=#hit1

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David Vilaca

SALHANYS Police Manual, This manual is an essential reference for law enforcement officers to ensure compliance with the stringent requirements of the Criminal Code and the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms in the context of the police powers of arrest, search and seizure, and interrogation. This will come in handy! and only 66 bucks

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Derek Moran

Give in Lieu of "Identification" March 22, 2013 at 1:01am

NOTICE OF WAIVER OF PUBLIC BENEFITS (ONTARIO CHANGE OF NAME ACT [R.S.O. 1990, CHAPTER C.7])

WHEREAS YOU, being a PUBLIC SERVANT and/or an OFFICER for a PUBLIC TRUST, and/or A GOVERNMENT AGENT/OFFICIAL, have demanded "IDENTIFICATION" from ME, and

WHEREAS YOU, being a PUBLIC SERVANT and/or an OFFICER for a PUBLIC TRUST, and/or A GOVERNMENT AGENT/OFFICIAL, do NOT have the right, and/or AUTHORITY, to attach SURETY and/or JOINDER, to ANY NAME DERIVED FROM A PUBLIC DOCUMENT, and attach such NAME and/or JOINDER to ME, and

WHEREAS YOU, being a PUBLIC SERVANT and/or an OFFICER for a PUBLIC TRUST, and/or A GOVERNMENT AGENT/OFFICIAL, are BOUND BY OATH, I THEREFORE, ACCEPT YOUR OATH OF OFFICE, and respectfully GIVE NOTICE that I, in fact, waive ALL benefits of the ONTARIO CHANGE OF NAME ACT [R.S.O. 1990, CHAPTER C.7], and as such I MUST DECLINE any such benefits.

If I and/or such other parties who act in my interest, have caused YOU to believe that my PRIVATE NAME is derived from ANY PUBLIC DOCUMENT, then that would be a MISTAKE, and please forgive me.

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