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ENGLISH is the international language of law and commerce. Knowing FRENCH is useful for understanding LEGAL ENGLISH, but FRENCH is not the international language of law and commerce, so we will ignore French speakers who speak to us in the language of a conquered people.

Non.

I understand that you are a proud Québécois, but the people here have nothing but contempt for you because of decades of transfer payments and NONE OF YOU understanding what Quebec sovereignty means. None of you know who Russell Rogers Smith is, and you're too proud and arrogant to teach. Just go away and be Retardier somewhere else.

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May 04, 2013 5:55 PM

Tara Duncan

A few words on language

As I peruse the hallowed forums of people struggling to comprehend what they view as complex concepts and truths I read your comments and questions...and it hurts. I frequently can't even get past the misuse of words and grammar to evaluate the message you are attempting to convey.

There is right and wrong, up and down, on and off. How can you hope to master the complex when you are working with the comprehension and writing skills of gerbils? Why do so few know the difference between "there", and "their", and "they're"? These are completely different words and concepts. There are applications which offer grammatical advice, and most applications automatically check your spelling. When the helpful suggestions appear on your screen do you automatically think to yourself, "Screw this, my writing is too unique and special to be subjected to grammatical scrutiny? Don't bother to blame anything on "typing too fast". It takes the same amount of time to type something incorrectly as it does to get it right. Unless you're willing to blame the post on the interference of children or unruly pets, you pressed the "send" button.

Assuming you're not all disciples of ee cummings, what is your philosophical objection to starting a sentence with a capital letter, or ending it with punctuation? Why do you use an apostrophe only when it is absolutely the wrong place to put it? "Its" is possessive, "it's" takes two words and contracts them. People should be described in numbers and not amounts (unless you're making some seriously fucked-up soufflé). If you understand how something can be ruled out, explain to me how you can "rule it in"? Context is important. "I read your email" is not necessarily the same as "I read your email yesterday". How can you hope to understand complex concepts when you are building on a foundation devoid of the basic building blocks of language?

If you think the snotty bitch is ridiculing your typographical errors you may be thinking, "What makes her think she's better than me"? I'll save you the trouble by finishing your sentence which could also read, "What makes her think she's better than me am"?

I don't take offence when people correct my grammar - I sometimes make mistakes and I prefer to be as accurate as possible in my communication. This doesn't mean I don't occasionally feel stupid as a result; I just try not to take it too personally. You may not feel this way. You may think having attention drawn to your errors is rude or mean-spirited. Your position is invariably, "Don't be an ass...you know what I mean." Actually I don't.

In order to communicate with you in writing I must first read the sentence, mentally correct the spelling mistakes, attempt to determine if the simple and complex words you are using actually mean what you think they mean. Along the way there may be a requirement to attempt to determine the overlay of gender-bias, humour or lack thereof, or cultural nuance. On occasion I must ask for clarification regarding the question or point you pose; and from time-to-time mentally deal with my annoyance at your response of, "Your an idiot". To add insult to injury, you are the very people who deem my writing inaccessible.

You make me laugh when you ponder learning another language, when you demonstrably can't correctly use the one you have. While we in Canada embrace multiculturalism and find people with bad communication skills charming, or deserving of our pity, the misuse of words in other languages, in other parts of the world, could actually get you killed.

In a not-too-clever segway, I remind you that wars have been fought over the misuse, or misunderstanding, of words. If you think precision in communication is unimportant, I strongly suggest you avoid careers in the field of science, law, engineering, anything involving electricity.

"If I don't like it go somewhere else?" Well, let's see. These are our forums...and where else is there to go if you are the best the Internet has to offer?

Feel free to comment on this if you feel you are being unfairly evaluated. If you respond carefully you might just learn something. If you choose to comment be advised your responses will be graded for content and correctness. There will be bonus points for anyone who can find errors in this post.

The abuse will continue until the cheese is returned.

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Russ Rawlingson

I also suffer with my fingers not keeping up with my brain and tobbacco under my keys.

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Russ Rawlingson

No and I think I just misspelled "tobacco" but ithink was down to stupidity. I had in my mind the upcoming double C and that was while typing B and so something went wrong and i did BB,

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Russ Rawlingson

I do type to fast, have just noticed the t instead of y. And I never check before hitting return. I use two fingers on each hand in the main but fast as I been typing since my old Sinclair ZX81 so i guess i just got quicker and quicker whilst never training myself to touch type.

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Russ Rawlingson

I get your point Lawful Man I really do however life is short and I can do it when I need to. I feel in the main I am understood. To grammer nazi folks in a social online platform is like telling someone off for swearing in a pub. It shouldn't be done.

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Pete Daoust

Seriously, my english writing is way better since I'm a FIDEL member of the Tender for Law. I know it's not near your's but I'll be very accurate in 8 or 9 years....TRUST me... :)

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Tara Duncan

Seriously, my English writing skills have improved since I became a member of THE TENDER FOR LAW. While they currently don't equal yours, I'll be very accurate in eight or nine years...[The right to offer corrections is included in the disclaimer]

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Tara Duncan

You already know my position on this Andrew, but thanks for asking. With the exception of comments from 'Lawful Man' I was just pondering if this exchange would be funny if it weren't so sad.

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Andrew D'AragonAndrew Ofthe RoyalHouse Aragon

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151496572050567&set=a.144795095566.230755.794285566&type=3&src=https%3A%2F%2Ffbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net%2Fhphotos-ak-ash4%2F413854_10151496572050567_1135719053_o.jpg&smallsrc=https%3A%2F%2Ffbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net%2Fhphotos-ak-ash3%2F579070_10151496572050567_1135719053_n.jpg&size=1275%2C1650

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Tara Duncan

Oh, and if you're not gone yet, perhaps you can quickly skip up to your comment regarding an interest in communicating well: "To grammer nazi folks in a social online platform is like telling someone off for swearing in a pub. It shouldn't be done."

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Pete Daoust

I WISH this thread will go on and on and on, so I will skip the Soprano's tonight, I don't know why but I really enjoy seeing people get their feelings disturbed (is that normal ? :/ )

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Pete Daoust

Hey Andrew Langevin, can you send me that form ??...I need it for a few of my customers, I will have LOTS of fun with this....please..??

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Tara Duncan

It was not really my intention to hurt people's feelings - perhaps to make them think a little. I am now starting to second-guess my choice of equating people's communication skills to that of gerbils. I should have used a larger rodent, maybe even a farm animal or other quadruped. Damn the lure of those cute, furry animals!

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Tara Duncan

I'll be wandering off soon; however, the point of this exercise is that the language of law is English. What you say, and how you say it is important. Your choice (and juxtaposition) of words may mean the difference between freedom and incarceration. Choose your words carefully. Practice wherever and when ever you can. Thus endeth the lesson.

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Pete Daoust

In fact, why is it you English people put H's everywhere ?, and plus, we also have to pronounce these freaking H's....I don't like that, I look STUPID when I pronounce these stupid H's....

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Pete Daoust

1. Any of various small, mouselike rodents of the genus Gerbillus and related genera of arid regions of Africa and Asia Minor, having long hind legs and a long tail. 2. The Mongolian gerbil (Meriones unguiculatus), having large dark eyes and a long furry tail and often kept as a pet

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Mike Carparelli

or segue /?segw?/ Verb (in music and film) Move without interruption from one song, melody, or scene to another. Noun An uninterrupted transition from one piece of music or film scene to another.

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Brenda Larson

I totally get what Tara is trying to say and in a perfect world this wouldn't even be an issue. However we are a social forum and sometimes with limited time and limited understanding. I wouldn't hold people near as accountable here, especially for the most part when we all understand or have an understanding of what is meant. Where I do have a problem is when the Social Worker can't even spell my name right in her paper work, especially after I have been dealing wither for the last 18 months. I think that there are all sorts of reasons why there are spelling mistakes, it isn't that important here. And I think, that it is amazing that Joseph Pierre Gilles has a good command of the English language, I would hate to try and start to write anything in French.

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Pete Daoust

Pierre had no choice to learn English, he figured out at 26 ( a bit late ) that he was suround by almost 400 millions freaking blokes. The first year I have started this journey, ho fuck do I was mad.. ? o_O

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Adam Thomas

Joseph Pierre Gilles, Tara, is having a crack at people that can't spell correctly. Gerbil is a rodent that POOFTERS stick up their asses because they have no nails on THEIR paws & they run rampantly through their bowels. Richard GERBIL (GERE)... HE LOVES THEM.... SICKO'S....SPEW...VOMIT...HEAVE...RETCH..... Poor gerbils.

David Gyurkovics

"If you think the snotty bitch is ridiculing your typographical errors you may be thinking, "What makes her think she's better than me"?"

"You make me laugh when you ponder learning another language, when you demonstrably can't correctly use the one you have."

While I can't say those sentences are necessarily wrong they don't seem to "flow right", although maybe technically correct. I even checked with online grammar checkers but have no idea how good those things are and have never used them before. The checkers approved both sentences. Using "when" twice in the 2nd one seems little odd to me. For a legal document this may not matter.

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Tara Duncan

Yes, Mike and Martin, "segue" is misspelled. More to the point, people assume because it looks and sounds familiar it is used correctly. It is not. In fact, for this purpose, it is exactly the wrong word. I regret there are only bonus points for this exercise; next time perhaps we should go for something more impressive like a Shrap sound system, or an Eyepod.

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Brenda Larson

I think that we can all agree that language is important and if we can we should do our best to use it as correctly as possible. However sometimes we are rushed, or mistype and take a look at where we are FACEBOOK. I think that picking on people's spelling and grammatical use of words is nit picking. We all know why we are here, for a reason: to learn. Not all of us are endowed with the ability to make words flow or be spelled correctly or used correctly. Get over it and quite being so critical of people in that respect.

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Scott Duncan

I think we can all agree that she's right and YOU'RE all a bunch of idiots that natural selection should have wiped out years ago.

Alas, science ( by people who can actually write... and think ) has saved you from that. It's good to know that if someone builds a house incorrectly, you'll accept the answer " You get the idea" , when it collapses on you or sewage spills into your living room. :D

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Tara Duncan

Actually, Adam Thomas, Tara is conducting a self-serving experiment on what motivates people to think critically, and to learn. We have encountered the expected insults and the use of the term, "Grammar Nazi". More interesting to me, though, is that even the negative comments are presented in correctly-punctuated, well-formed sentences. I am not disappointed with the results. Not to be condescending, this demonstration of thoughtful, intelligent discourse bodes well for the success of the forum.

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Martin Sutton

Eyepods are cool: I have one that holds my glass eye aloft. Well, not exactly an Eyepod, it's a trEYEpod mini.

Some persons just doesn't get the idea that it is a headache trying to decipher(why isn't it decypher???) or maybe I should say decrypt, some of the things that people type up. You may think that you put in some effort in writing, but if people have to struggle to understand what you are writing, you are a failure as a writer. Isn't there a maxim: "Seek first to understand, then to be understood"? Pretty sure bad writing proves failure on both points. Nor is it respectful to the reader.

P.S. person(s) and people were not chosen arbitrarily.

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Scott Duncan

HA! Like you even stand a chance of holding her attention long enough to receive those! :D

Bwahahahaha *air* hahahahaha!

here's the thing Adam: I am notorious for being adept at the fine art of stealing a woman's heart. I mastered it decades ago ( I can't believe I can even say "decades" in that context!) through a complete understanding of women. I also know that their hearts are fleeting, so their focus CAN be swayed. You might have a chance distracting a woman who's heart I've stolen...

...but Tara Duncan gave hers willingly ;)

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Pete Daoust

And they know that....they also know that we become really idiot by this...so they can hypnotize us and steal us from them....so they can't stand each other on that fact....(I tried very hard here to make my point)....

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Pete Daoust

I live with one of them for 21 years now...so far so good....and why in the world would you want to kill them ??? :/

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Will E. LeemanWill Preach Leeman

First of all,let me say on behalf of all the knowledge seeking men and women that read your material or those that would give their consent to be in agreeance with the forth coming statement of truth that all of your honourable efforts,Tara Duncan and Scott Duncan are most appreciated and I thank you for what must be a at times a mind bending task at enlightening the masses or at least those of us massed here.

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Will E. LeemanWill Preach Leeman

Some such as myself or I may be the only one left school in grade six and had a shattered education before that point,be patient do stop the rants as they make us appreciate the education more and drill home how respected and important it is.We are listening and learning,Thank you for what you do most honourable teachers.

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Scott Duncan

That's so nice, Will ...and a little naive.

We don't do this for you. The majority of you are adults with imaginary friends who try to attach these things you learn to your delusions (God, Jesus, Spirits, etc) so doing it for you, the reader, is a futile task.

You miss all the BIG things and focus on "clubhouse rules" (even though you aren't in the club) and miss the MOST important lesson because you love bullshit...a LOT.

MOST IMPORTANT LESSON: ALL BELIEF IS EVIL. ALL OF IT. The very act of BELIEVING is evil. Once you ditch THAT bullshit, THEN you'll be ready to actually LEARN something.

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Scott Duncan

Why do you think that? Where I to "need a hug" there are several women who do that regularly, so your diagnosis is incorrect. Did Jesus tell you this?

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Pete Daoust

Jesus is from Venezuela, he is not white I know that and here's proof :/ http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.135938.1313981325!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/alg-jesus-montero-jpg.jpg

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Scott Duncan

FUN FACTS ABOUT JESUS:

Jesus was a RAPE BABY who grew up to be a carpenter. He said, "Those who live by the sword, shall die by the sword", and because he was a carpenter, he drove the point home by getting himself nailed to two planks of wood.

Then he "Died for our sins"...but he didn't actually die. He was resurrected 3 days later...so he had a bad weekend for your sins... and he slept through most of it. Nobody can reach consensus on what "sin" is, but Jesus had a bad weekend for it.

FUN FACT:There are "christians" who think I should be killed for what I just wrote.

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Pete Daoust

This is EXACTLY what this group is about....STAYING in reality....STAYING in reality....no fuking bullshit, this is WHY Scott is doing it, he wants to teach us REALITY.....the real stuff....

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Pete Daoust

OK...I get it Adam Thomas, but if you OBSERVE carefully, you will find that EVERY time I jump in a thread, Scott disapear.....in fact, as soon as I jump in, Scott knows you guys are in good hands....in other words, I'm the one you need to listen to ... :) GET IT ????... :D

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Pete Daoust

The MAJOR problem with us, idiot humans, is we doing the same stupid shit again and again, and we BELIEVE we will get better results.....Scott is right, we are a bunch of assorted clueless morons :-D

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Pete Daoust

Audrey FernCastle seems to be drunk and on drug again, so not her for sure, Adam Thomas must be busy jerking somewhere again, so not him, Derek Moran is surely doing a mamwich with mummy and poppy....so ????

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Tara Duncan

While I'm pro entertainment, and like to think I have a good sense of humour...I'm at a loss here. What value do the two of you think you're adding to a discussion regarding the importance of good communication skills? It's clear I have nothing to offer either of you. Enjoy yourselves in your in-depth examination of bad grammer.

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Adam Thomas

I'm having an absolute BALL Tara. This thread is highly entertaining for me & to me. Pierre, is having a good time too I think. The diffences between our LANGUAGES is massive & I'd love to meet pierre, in the flesh & have a conversation about nothing in particular & I'm sure I would still PISS MYSELF LAUGHING except even harder.

Pete Daoust

Tara Duncan, je suis profondément convaincu que tu peux très bien te débrouiller en francais, mais tu devras accepter le fait que tu auras autant de difficultés que moi lorsque je m'exprime en anglais, sinon plus.....bonne chance !!!!!

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Pete Daoust

I'm not sure here Adam, because WE, man, can never be too sure of what Woman are REALLY saying, especially English Woman (for me anyway), but I think YOU LOOK LIKE AN IDIOT WITH YOUR PERCING.. :D hahahahaha!!!!

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Pete Daoust

What cross your brain when installing on you one of those percing....I'm really curious on this one....seriously, ???

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Pete Daoust

HA !!!!!....I just found my bonus point :D . It should be: While we, in Canada, embrace multiculturalism and find people with bad communication skills charming, or deserving of our pity, the misuse of words in other languages, in other parts of the world, could actually get you killed.

I knew something was not right there :D

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Pete Daoust

Of course there is no obligations of using those two comma, but I like it better that way.....it's giving me a chance to breathe while saying it.....could be very useful these comma for ...let say...a guy that talks with a dick in his mouth, or a guy with one pound of metal planted on his tongue, or any other assorted clueless morons...

my take on it anyway

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Adam Thomas

Too true pierre. You're a smart man. Now back to my piercings. My father died near on 17 years ago. It ripped me apart. Still does effect me. I wanted to experience a different pain & I'd much prefer a piercing over HEART PAIN &/OR BROKEN HEART PAIN. The lafies flocked to me & I had a harem going for some time until I fell in love with a MUTT..... WE had a child together & I WILL ALWAYS LOVE THAT MUTT FOR BRINGING OUR LIBERTY INTO OUR WORLD & LIVES. AS MY NEW TATTOOS SAY PIERRE. L I B E R T Y OR D E A T H

Scott Duncan

Yes, bad in a BAD way, not "naughty schoolgirl who wants me to spank her", "bad".

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Pete Daoust

fuck....look at this :/ bad (Inferior), adjective adultered, base, decaying, degenerative, degraded, deleterious, deplorable, detrimental, dreadful, faulty, foul, fulsome, impure, injurious, malignant, malus, noxious, objectionable, ruined, undesirable, unfit, unsound, unsuitable Associated concepts: bad bargain, bad check, bad title -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- bad (Offensive), adjective abhorrent, abominable, amoral, arrant, atrocious, baleful, baneful, base, corrupt, cruel, debauched, degenerate, degraded, demoralized, deplorable, depraved, derogatory, despicable, destructive, detrimental, diabolic, dire, disastrous, disgraced, disgusting, dishonorable, disreputable, evil, execrable, flagrant, fulsome, heinous, ignoble, immoral, improbus, improper, indecent, infamous, iniquitous, injurious, insidious, loathsome, maleficent, malevolent, malific, malus, miscreant, monstrous, nasty, nefarious, nequam, nocuous, objectionable, obnoxious, odious, offensive, onerous, oppressive, peccant, perfidious, pernicious, reprehensible, repugnant, repulsive, retrogressive, revolting, ruined, ruinous, scandalous, sinful, sinister, treacherous, troublous, turpitudinous, undesirable, unfit, unsuitable, unvirtuous, venal, vicious, vile, villainous, virtueless, wicked Associated concepts: bad behavior, bad character, bad faith, bad influence, bad motive, bad reputation, bad repute Foreign phrases: In facto quod se habet ad bonum et malum, magis de bono quam de malo lex intendit.In an act or deed which may be considered as both good and bad, the law directs its attention more to the good than the bad. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- See also: culpable, deleterious, delinquent, deplorable, depraved, detrimental, disastrous, disreputable, harmful, heinous, immoral, imperfect, iniquitous, nefarious, noxious, peccable, peccant, perverse, poor, profane, reprehensible, reprobate, wrongful

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Pete Daoust

That was a test Adam Thomas, you can continu, I'm compiling your behaviours data's in a extreme sophisticated software that will tell me on which side of the Bell-Curve you are...so I can proceed with my task :D

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Stuart Stone

This thread has been priceless for many reasons for me...

The lady Scott Duncan likes to refer to as my 'arm candy' was born in Russia, but lived in Italy for 10 years. She is fluent in Russian and Italian & for every day purposes, in English as well. Her stepfather is Italian, a very serious 'believer', with no interest in speaking English or Russian.

My Russian is basic at best & my spoken Italian is passable...so when you add the cultural mix in with the obvious language differences, any 'discussion' about religion very quickly turns into an 'argument'...or if you take the literal translations of the words from English to Italian, an argument in Italian is a discussion & a discussion an argument.

Add the cultural differences of an Australian raised to challenge opinions, mix it with a Russian who respects everyones' right to their opinion & an Italian who refuses to acknowledge that anyone else is entitled to an opinion & any tough love encountered here is light relief :-)

When it comes to dealing with various bureaucrats, who can not or will not provide a straight or honest answer to a simple question, the need to make myself understood with very specific language becomes all the more important.

Otherwise we continue to underline the point that we really are stupid irresponsible children ill equipped and unable to manage our affairs...so thanks for the wakeup call Tara Duncan

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Pete Daoust

This is EXACTLY what was on my mind Stuart Stone, but could not figure out how to bring it to my keyboard, thank you very much for your appearance to clarify my mind :) , I think it's time for a good defragmentation up there :D

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Adam Thomas

The Bastardization of the ENGLISH language has been happening for some time, maybe more so in the last "100" years. Children in developed nations like Australia, are still illiterate & its getting much worse. Abbreviated words are overtaking correct punctuation like for example ; LMFAO, LOL, DILLIGAF,WTF, NWO, WMD, CIA & FFS ETC, ETC.

Adam Thomas

I really find it frustrating trying to COMMUNICATE to Joseph Pierre Gilles because I'm so accustomed to thinking pierre, knows bastardized aussie/slang, Lingo, but he doesn't. I suppose I've become comfortable &/or lazy &/or both.

Scott Duncan

TOP SECRET is what made me take Val Kilmer seriously as an actor! Do not blaspheme the Prop Room! Think of poor Latrine!

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Sirwade FirsbeyWho-are You Frisbey

LANGUAGE AND DICTIONARIES

"How's the dictionary getting on?" Winston asked his comrade Syme, who worked with him in the Research Department.

"We're getting the language into its final shape," Syme answered. "By the year 2050 at the very latest not a single human being will be alive who could understand the conversation we are having now." 1984, George Orwell.

In America we speak three languages: Slang, Formal English, and Legal English, Though simular, if one tries to communicate using one language while the listener is listening using another language, there is great opportunity for miscommunication. This article is written in Legal English.

Slang

It's the language of the street. It is a dynamic, loosely defined language, and it can vary considerably from one geographical area to the next. It abounds with special and paradoxical interpretations. Once must "grow up" with the language to fully appreciate its peculiarities.

Foreigners always have great difficulty dealing with the various idioms. For example, if you think something is genuinely wonderful, you could say either, "That's really cool!" or "That's really hot!" Another way to express great approval is to exclaim, "That's B-A-D!" or "That's G-O-O-D!"

Formal English

Precise communications require a more formal structure. Formal English is taught in the schools, and it is the language of choice when strangers meet to execute common transactions. It is a stable language that typically requires multi-decades or centuries to evolve its meanings.

Unless otherwise specified, English dictionaries cast all words in Formal English, with the more common usage placed at the beginning of the definition. Dictionaries often will show slang or legal meanings as well. They are placed after the more popular usages.

This author favors Webster's 1828 Dictionary (which is also online [but as of this writing, temporarily offline]) because it is useful in understanding words used in the U.S. Constitution. G. & C. Merriam Webster's unabridged dictionary published in 1953 and earlier is great for modern meanings.

Legal English

When you want accuracy in communication, Legal English is the preferred language. Also known as King's English, or the Language of the Court Room, Legal English is extremely stable, requiring thousands of years for changes in meaning.

Because accuracy is required for good legal communication, legal definitions tend to be rather verbose. The extended explanations are necessary to achieve that accuracy. Legal dictionaries are not all called dictionaries. The more thorough dictionaries are entitled "Corpus Juris" and "Words and Phrases." A given word could require fifty or more pages to arrive at its exact meaning. Other dictionaries (in descending order of this author's preference) include Bouvier's Law Dictionary (1872 Edition), Ballentine's Law Dictionary, and Black's Law Dictionary (4th edition or earlier).

Later editions of Bouvier's Law Dictionary are more like legal encyclopedias

Black's Law Dictionary, 5th through 7th Editions are not as accurate because references to common law are progressively removed, and Roman Civil Law concepts are augmented in order to conform to the law enforcement needs of political power centers such as the Federal Government and the United Nations.

The rule of thumb is that older dictionaries are useful for understanding natural rights, common law, personal sovereignty, and the people's point of view. Newer dictionaries are useful for understanding civil rights, Roman civil law, centralized authority, and the government's point of view. All attorneys are trained in the latter. Judges may go to special seminars to learn the former.

For an excellent research paper on the use of dictionaries in the Supreme Court of the United States, see Kevin Werbach's LOOKING IT UP: The Supreme Court's Use of Dictionaries in Statutory and Constitutional Interpretation (1994).

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Scott Duncan

Do you folks realize that THIS is the closest Tara and I come to a "Domestic Dispute"? :D

...seriously. Every time Fag & Furious comes up, we risk coming to blows!

...true story! :D

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Tara Duncan

That's metaphorical "blows" buddy. I don't want to have a nasty rumour circulating that I would employ physical violence because you have no ability to appreciate a cinematic work-of-art.

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Scott Duncan

I'm the world's foremost leading expert on the HUSBANDLY RIGHTS AND WIFELY DUTIES ACT!

RESPECT MAH ATHORITAH!

(...i like to use Christian Debate methods, sometimes)

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Tara Duncan

Your question is nonsensical - ambiguously worded and badly punctuated. Do you even know what "spirituality" means? If people who spend lifetimes studying this bullshit can't even agree, why would you ask such a thing without even an attempt at qualification? Here of all places.

I'll answer your retarded question if you can point me to one place in this forum where it instructs you to disengage your brain.

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Tara Duncan

"Sticks and stones...", Pierre. I'm sure the question was intended for Scott Duncan; however you don't take your "A" players to combat the last-place team. I think Scott should get a pass from answering such things.

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Pete Daoust

WOW!!!!...I know now why there is no spirits flying around in my house... :D We are very well equiped here for these things ....Lots of knowledge :D

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Sirwade FirsbeyWho-are You Frisbey

I asked the question because I am questioning all my past programming. I want to wake up and I don't think I can do that with any old way or viewing things or how I am programmed. I must un-learn and de-programe myself.

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Sirwade FirsbeyWho-are You Frisbey

when scott asked me "why are there two fences around a prison" I then used that thinking to question other things to see if they are a second fence or third. just different ways the system uses too trap and enslave our minds.

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Pete Daoust

Oh fook....you want to fuck around with scoot questions, and your mind ?.....both at the same time ? You may end up in a psychiatric hospital for the next 15 years :-D

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Scott Duncan

John Frisbey: Here's a thought shortcut. It will give you the right answer EVERY TIME. Ready?

1: The majority is always wrong. 2: Everything is measurable, quantifiable, and can be tested by third parties, with the same results. 3: Everyone has the same mental powers.

If you have an idea that does NOT comply with ALL of these things, you are dwelling in a sea of bullshit, put there by someone else.

Take "spirituality" for example. Dies right out of the gate. Dismiss it.

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Sirwade FirsbeyWho-are You Frisbey

the reason I say it is my fault is because I had the chose to not believe the bullshit

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Sirwade FirsbeyWho-are You Frisbey

I dont think I am ready to do that yet. because I first must remove all the bullshit. and also I think I will need to kill my old self so the bullshit wont infect my new self

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Pete Daoust

No No No....me I only say it's my fault because Daniel J Wentz, said it....tha's all, Daniel said that my PURPOSE here is to drive people INSANE, and I think he is right, and I KNOW that I drove a few insane outside.....That is the ONLY reason why I say that.......no fancy expainations on my side :D

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Pete Daoust

Well I HATE these poor me cocksuckers.....I can't stand these idiots.....at least, when it's a WOMAN, you can have some advantages over it, but these male victims.....yyyuuurrrrkkkkkk !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Cara Small

Well, from a tantric point of view, men lose some of their life force when they ejaculate. Women only do when they ovulate. So, I am wondering what kind of a sexual advantage that could be for you if she was just sucking the life force out of you besides the part of it being fun for you.

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Sirwade FirsbeyWho-are You Frisbey

I see you like to point out others wrong view but when those same other point out your you become defensive

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Pete Daoust

You are a fucking real idiot John Frisbey, you are a fucking faggot, and I'm pretty sure you've had to get fucked in the ass numerous time to become a fucking victimized half of a dog, half of a bobsleigh like this.....

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Pete Daoust

Here a gold tip John Frisbey the slack ass, you WAKE UP, you figure out right now that you have done EVERYTHING you wanted to do since you are 15 years of age, the buck stops here, and you unload all the bullshit in the bullshit can, you shake yourself like dogs do, and you go .....

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Pete Daoust

OK simili guys, I quit, I leave you with your bullshit, I will watch a movie instead. Whish you the best of luck. Bye !

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Dwaine CarrilloSeiko Seven

Your all a bunch of crackheads. It's embarrassing their even has to be a post like this. learn some fucking gramer, and for godsake stop starti'ng you're sentences with'out capitol letter's .... for Fuck's sayk!

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Beverly Berta Braakschmack

Cdphdf ylh yailfi kh wcdkfu hd cwhok auufgftcdk khvabi cdshu jfdfucg bhdkfdk-euff ilak ilhogs SH AK AD VUATCKF MFIICJFI, ci yf SHDK BCUF!

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Sirwade Firsbey

I don't know which is worse me with my mistakes or beverly with her intended humor.

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Dwaine CarrilloSeiko Seven

Your photo disappeared and I thought you left the group, therefore I didn't want to look like an idiot for correcting something that did not need to be corrected. I'm just having fun my friend, you are among the finest smart asses the world has ever known ;)

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Shawn Folkes

....and how many grammatical and syntax errors did I count...in the OP? TOO MANY! "He who is without sin, let him cast the first stone"... Or, simply put, those that live in glass houses should NOT throw stones!

There is, however, a point to be made. And therein lies the conundrum. Often good points are lost in the delivery.

That point is that we have, rather quickly, devolved our language collectively, as we have unlearned our language. We have, as Scott states, become... lazy fucks. We just type away relying on autocorrects and not really giving a fuck to actually THINK when we use things like "there", their", and/or "they're", for example. We are crunched for time as well, multitasking or texting thumb-style as we drive, commute, eat shit ( see how the meaning just changed because I was too lazy to notice I missed the comma) or watch or pirated porn, as we type away using this new fucked up cyber language (lmfaorofl), our defence being a feeble "figure it out"....like people have a literary crystal ball.

I too have fallen into this trap, mainly because I have BIG hands and these tiny fucking cells are hard to type on, and autocorrect is often guessing, and ISN'T correct... plus, with a fucking SUSPENDED LICENCE...I ride a shit load of buses...so yeah, I'm just as guilty at times as well....(especially over using the elipsis...) we all must strive, however, to do better! If the way we wrote online was exactly how our kids learned to write, our next generation will be a bunch of confusing shits! Scott's right... this shit must stop. Starting with us. You and I.

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Gerry Cardinalli

Shawn... Does your statement above refer to the fact that 'Tis only the sinners who get stoned? And by the way, just in case you need the advice, (Scott will ignore it) - Those that live in glass houses, should not undress with the lights on.

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Gerry Cardinalli

I am glad I was presented the opportunity to read and fully comprehend the nature of Tara's treatise. She is correct when she refers to the possibility of World War 3 having its beginnings by way of the incorrect appropriation in choice of parlance utilised. The insertion of what one may deem as a mere colloquialism may in fact result in offence being taken by an opposing party. I have taken note of her strongly, and well made points and will most assuredly make all possible attempts to ensure my wording is correct and acceptable given the cultural nuances of those that make postings here. Thank you Tara. However, I do admit, your posting was enjoyable to read, though if it was given as oratory I may well have been given to lapsing into the realm of Morpheus.

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Shawn FolkesShawn Ofthefamily Folkes

Gerry, the stones were merely an analogy, nothing more. To oft we digress when we delve into an example, and forget rhe original POV being expressed. I was simply pointing out that the OP, albeit correct in its suppositions, was also containing examples of said transgressions. Scott "clarified" these deliberate "errors" (alrhough the half use of quotation marks, and parentheses, for example, tend to make me wonder about that...jus sayin).

Yiu maje a good point as well... "coined phrases" and "terms of the day" often butcher language, especially when serious intellectual discussions are haopening. "Blog talk" often resukts, where we iften fyoe as we talk. But...we aren't talking verbal lyso written dictums must prevail.

We need to write concisely, and pay attention to what we say and how we say it...because we arent yokel okles talking about sheep fucking by the outhouse or water hole. And thats hiw we treat our host when we fuck around and write like jerk offs. And expext our comments to be respected and accepted when we are rude by our lack of dilligence. Point noted and taken! I apologize for mine, for many if mine are due to fucking technology! And my inability to use it pateintly shit. sorry cell is freezing s

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Shawn FolkesShawn Ofthefamily Folkes

Hahaha I can't correct shit. Maybe I will edit that if Scott doesn't blast it into space first, when I get on a laptop or pc. Sorry for the fucked up typos. Big hands small screen and a cell from helk that freezes, won't allow me to go back, copy and paste, and deletes most of my messages. This is attempt #3

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Gerry Cardinalli

@Shawn... Then if you have read Tara's posting in its entirety, are you now expecting me to infer that your obvious lack of checking your spelling in your above response is due in part to your actually being some kind of techno-peasant? Or are you simply being "rude by our lack of diligence"?

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Scott Duncan

The whole non-existence aspect of Hell, means that by its very nature, Hell lacks the necessary matter to create the heat needed to be hot. Pretend things are neither hot, nor cold.

Hell can't freeze over until it get's around to the whole "being real" state.

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Scott Duncan

Yet people still believe it... They won't check their OWN GPS's. Wait and see. Deliberate blindness. Wouldn't they at least TRY to go to heaven?

...you know.. just punch in "heaven" to see if there is a route that avoids toll roads...

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Shawn FolkesShawn Ofthefamily Folkes

...examples of losing sight of the OP by an example run rampant. Saying my cell is from hell (another metaphor fyi to express my frustration ) and saying that "where its from" is exemplified by its "freezing" - a term for computers that stop working

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Shawn FolkesShawn Ofthefamily Folkes

Techno-peasant? Ok yeah close to true. I use a cell not a laptop and it is very difficult to type on. I know hiw to spell "how" dor example, but wirh LARGE fingers I often hit the wrong letter, and cant go back because the cell (short for cellular phone For Your Information) will "freeze" when I try to. So no it's not due to a lack of respect or diligence...

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Tara Duncan

I turned in a university essay once which was returned with a barely passing grade and this comment: "On the whole you write extremely well, but in this essay at least, you have said absolutely nothing." I had two responses to this. The first was to laugh. No one had ever noticed or commented on my half-assed, content-free submissions. The second was to assimilate the material required to produce a thoughtful response to each assignment. The ability to communicate effectively facilitates the ability to acquire information and to express one's opinions.

It was my hope that by providing a slightly insulting, somewhat humorous article, some people would find a little inspiration to better present their positions. I, and if you're honest you, stereotype people everywhere, even in this forum. Also, if you're being honest with yourself, you will admit there are some people whose comments you skip and ignore. It is possible these same people have a valuable contribution to make; it's just impossible to decipher the message in the way it is presented.

Typographical errors notwithstanding, those who have taken the time to learn to speak and write well, recognise the importance of delivering information clearly and concisely. To do otherwise just feels wrong.

Oddly, no one has asked for, or suggested, any book, training course, or methodology by which these skills can be improved. Positive reinforcement is provided by people who write thoughtful, articulate comments. Negatives are expressed by people who are barely qualified to read "The Cat in the Hat".

Those of you with badly-expressed, dissenting opinions, and all manner of excuses as to why it's your "God-given" right to speak like recent graduates of an Ebonics course, are not actually hurting me. I, like everyone else, don't hear you. I can't be any clearer. It really is that simple.

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Tara Duncan

Something like that could be good for you, Beverly Girl-Brain Braaksma as you already have good writing skills. For people looking to improve their basic skills I would recommend something like, "The Elements of Style" by William Strunk, Jr.

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Pete Daoust

Me, I really STRUGGLE reading your articles, but I read them all and appreciate them....as far as FANS, I have plenty of these things in stock, 5 volts fans, 12 volts fan, 120 volts fan....what have you....I'll ship a skid filled with these for FREE. :D

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Pete Daoust

I consider this as ASSETS, in fact, everything I get from here is considered as assets by ME, so it help ME think that I can not be liquidate because, If it’s not an asset, it has to be liquidated. :D (hope that make sense :/ )

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Cara Small

Bugger! Haven't heard that for a while. My mother actually gave me shit for using that word when I was young. I, too, will keep that book you recommended in mind.

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Adam Thomas

Thank you very much tara. I'm not here as in here at present. My dog Dora, was just run over & killed & I'm runnuing out of tissues. My head really does hurt badly as does my heart....I need a break from everything. I will be back in a couple of days folks. Take care all.

Tara Duncan

And there is nothing we can do to ease the pain. It is shattering when your pet dies. There is a large hole where your friend should be. You see them everywhere in your peripheral vision. Only time, and possibly saving the life of another animal in a shelter can help. No disrespect was intended.

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