Apr 08, 2013 8:45 PM

"So now you genius who has incorporated so they don’t have use the SIN for tax reporting?"..... hey James- i cant make out what you're trying to say here exactly, can you re-phrase/re-word the question?

the sin is not your why use it

Hint:A numbered corporation has no SIN. :P

Your name isn't yours either.

i know DEREK MORAN is not MY name... but cant i at least have 'Derek Moran' for myself? :(

So your company should lien the "vessel" as a martime lien and all acts in commerce are done through the company...?

Yes

Put in the corporate charter that the corporation holds a TRUST. Live off that.

Why is that you keep referring to MEADS VS MEADS? Anybody with any internal information knows that this case has no bearing and was poorly presented in court. Also anybody with any understanding of corporate workings knows you cannot sue yourself. Some of us know how to hit the lawyers back hard, that is: to make them and the alleged creditors ect responsible for the taxes through the tax agency. You can have your say in court but not with the CRA and IRS. If the CRA and IRS have to abide to international law by tax treaties, then that is all that us alleged “freeman” have to do.

Is it not slanderous to use the word “FREEMAN” is it not profiling and discrimination?

I told a person who had to appear at discovery for tax court to discuss the slander only and when this was discussed your brave lawyers ran out of court.

You have to realize that there are disgruntle employees in all areas including the tax agencies and in your so called societies showing us the correct way to do things.

The game plan is over, some us know that everything is based on basic accounting and that is done through the tax agencies. Whoever is holding the hot potato which is called “income” pays the taxes so if you want to collect from us, and then we shall claim. The tax agencies just want to know who received the funds. This is not old news; it’s just that we know how to properly file our accounting properly now.

That is what is coming to light. Why should the truth be known by only a select elite few?

It’s not no more.

The ironic part is that after you have received your proper tax numbers for tax filing, you can go down to STAPLES and get approved software to file to the CRA for a refund at your favorite lawyers expense.

Check mate

Do you HAVE to give the corporation a NAME spelled with LETTERS... or can you just get-by with a strictly NUMBERED corporation like James mentioned?

I would go numbered... then you can "call" it anything you want, operating as 9875843 ON Ltd.

You have to say something when you establish a corporation about ACTIVITY types....mine is a number company and activity is sales and services....any suggestions on this ????

"Whoever is holding the hot potato..."..... its funny you say that James, i was just thinking in-terms of what it seems like the BIRTH CERTIFICATE(OF DEPOSIT) is to me; as long as i am SAFEGUARDING IT, i am deemed to be the TRUSTEE of it from what ive figured-out as long as i am holding onto it.....

Its not yours so how are you Trustee?

(has someone else's indorsement on it)

The BC is supposed to be somewhat of a DEED. A DEED, is an instrument used meant to CONVEY Title. Thats why we are deemed to be a TRUSTEE of the government in their eyes, and they are acting as if they are BENEFICIARY...until we take steps to correct these roles.

This is a message i got while talking to Kate of Gaia for a bit last week: "...the only contracts we get into are the ones we use the BC to get of OUR free will choice....the BC is only an OFFER and the only piece of paper the government sends for you that isn't you..."

Can't you just give the CRA proper notice that since the income tax act has not been accepted into law can can stop looking for you to give them your money?

Ask them for proof that it is law...

What i took from this, was the same thing that Scott's been pounding-into-us regarding LEGAL TENDER; that the BIRTH CERTIFICATE is/was also an OFFER FOR LAW, that we have continued to accept using since we turned the age-of-majority..... would you concur with this Scott- is the BIRTH CERTIFICATE another form of them making an OFFER OF LAW to us? :/

Doesn't it turn your name into a vessel for commerce?

Yes.

kinda like a permission slip

to function in the world of promises...

HOWEVER, there's a BIG difference Scott between the $20 Bill that says THIS NOTE IS LEGAL TENDER and the BIRTH CERTIFICATE......that being, the Birth Certificate DOES NOT have on it anywhere THIS BANK-NOTE IS LEGAL TENDER thereby giving us proper NOTICE that they are making an OFFER FOR LAW to us, correct?

Correct, but you are the BENEFICIARY. the onus is on YOU to know your rights/duties regarding commerce (which this bond allows transactions in)

And of course they do not teach this in school...

So where is the accountant located that does the accounting for the BC and currency. Have you opened an account with the accountant in Ottawa? Not theirs but yours?

..for some reason the term INDENTURE just popped-into-my-head ;)

Copyhold is a late 17th Century legal fiction describing a type of estate whereby the privileges and rights of use of property granted or entitled to a tenant are defined in accordance with the record books or “court rolls” of a manor and a “copy” or “receipt” or “certificate” of such rights then handed to the tenant or their appointed guardian as proof as the “holder”

I'm sure I'm the only one in here who thinks INDENTURE was a hockey player but I'll put it anyway....no offense to anyone A document such as a mortgage or deed of trust, which provides for security for a financial obligation, and which sets forth essential terms such as interest rate and due date or maturity date.”

"...or their appointed guardian as proof as the “holder” = Registrar GENERAL (its ALL about ACCOUNTING) ?

..Councillor Karen Stintz is my MUNICIPAL guardian - i dont know what i would do without her ;)

I was thinking of sending a NOTICE FOR FULL-DISCLOSURE registered-mail to the Registrar General asking him on the whereabouts of my original Long-Form-Statement-of-Live-Birth-Record - NOW...im thinking i should be asking him to see a copy of the INDENTURE regarding the Birth Certificate they TRANSFERRED to me by means of CONVEYANCE-OF-TITLE ;)

That should be its own thread on here, the- "I-Sent-a-NOTICE-and-I-am-Sharing-With-the-Rest-of-the-Group-How-It-Turned-Out-So-Everyone-Else-Will-Send-the-Same-FUCKING-Notice-TOO!?!"

James, is what you speak of something in theory or something you have effected in practise?

i'm working on the similar idea. failure to provide full disclosure regarding the birth certificate...

the elected representative is the controller of the comingled negotiatable instruments value acrued interest

I am always amazed at the bull that is posted all the times about the BC. The UN charter states that a legal person has to be created for every human on the planet, so what do you think the BC is .Proof that the government has done so, so what is your problem?

The posting was about how many have incorporated so that they do not have to file tax returns with the SIN. WHY those are the derivatives created from the legal person . Probably over you heads . That’s why only one in a million figure this out.

Notice for what ?

So you can prove that you don’t know what you are doing? If you cannot claim the derivatives through the SIN then there has to be another way. That was what the question was about. Taking a consensus to see how many have done so.

Conclusion ZERO

that is frustrating at times to start reading a thread and then the original question is forgotten.

Thanks Willie. :D Usually I'm the one who points this out, but it's all white-noise to them now.

It's simple. Lien the Birth Certificate, and walk away. Don't "notify" strangers that you are an idiot. They already suspect it, so you don't need to confirm.

but what about a NOTICE to tell them that I was an idiot, but now, I THINK I'm not an idiot no more, but can't be to sure about it, and would like to have their INSIGHTS about it, and give them 9 days to answer or I fukin blow up their kitchen.....

your still an idiot your noticing the wrong party fool.

:D

You're still an idiot for not knowing the difference between "Your" and "You're" (Not to mention "Yore"). :P

or "ur"

We don't speak Text-tard(tm) here at THE TENDER FOR LAW, Beverly May Braaksma!

I wonder how many of you illiterates are looking up "yore" right now...

(Yes it's a real word)

Willie Wally...you just requested to join this page at 8:39am THIS morning...no need to start right-off-the-bat talking-down-to-people...you're as Johnny-come-Lately on this page as there's ever been...know your fucking place

Willie might just end up with a tag similar to "guy that sounds like he's got a dick in his mouth" if he's not careful... heheh... shit, any relation?

Well, what he's saying is NOT incorrect. So, he's NOT like "guy that sounds like he's got a dick in his mouth", who's never had an original thought in his life.

INDENTURE (Black's 6th): in bankruptcy law, indenture means mortgage, deed of trust, or indenture, under which there is outstanding a SECURITY, other than a voting-trust certificate, constituting a CLAIM against the DEBTOR, a CLAIM secured by a LIEN on any of the DEBTOR's PROPERTY, or an equity SECURITY OF THE DEBTOR

INDENTURE TRUSTEE: person or institution named in a trust indenture and charged with holding LEGAL TITLE to the trust property and with CARRierYING out the TERMS of the indenture. Trustee under an indenture.

Scott- im listening to this awesome interview between David Wilcock and Winston Shrout talking all about Admiralty, the BC, the SIN#, etc..... what is our equivalent here in Canada to the DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE in the U.S. ? :/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlFP9oGTzBo

Pierre- ask and yee shall receive. I just received this letter today as a response, to a letter i had sent to the Receiver General basically asking in a one-page explanation for Full-Disclosure on how to discharge debt properly. This is the response i got:

Dear Sir:

We are writing in response to your correspondence, dated March 18, 2013, concerning "promissory note." (it wasnt JUST about that) Given the nature of your request, we have been asked to respond to your letter and take appropriate action. Therefore, you should not expect any other response.

After a review of the content of your correspondence, we wish to inform you that the Department of Public Works and Government Services Canada(PWGSC), which includes the Receiver General for Canada, has no mandate to address your alleged claims. Also, we must inform you that the claims and notices contained in your correspondence do not impose any legal obligation on this Department. We recommend that you consult with a lawyer of your own choosing in order to be informed of your legal rights regarding this matter.

Yours sincerely, Director GENERAL Banking and Cash Management Sector

and BLOWN OFF...

That was the LETTER i sent.. when i get back from going for a coffee, i will then begin crafting my NOTICE i will send to them ;)

Being a Government/public-servant-agency, they are SUPPOSED to provide you with INSTRUCTIONS on what to do, fiduciaries CANNOT hide information from you..

Thanks Derek Moran, I suspect LAWYERS are ruling this world.. :)

But they do...!!!!

Derek, Would you be willing to share what you wrote in your letter? Did you seek to execute an appropriation against your patrimony? I ask because they mention claims and notices.

Thats an interesting point. As i was reading the letter i was asking myself- "What claims, what notices?..i did not include/send them a NOTICE, and i did not make any claims against them" I just threw a bunch-of-facts out there to let them know you're dealing with someone WHO KNOWS so best come-correct... ;)

They will end up by saying to you: WE CAN NOT GIVE LEGAL ADVICES....thats my bet...$5 or a x-large coffee, your choice...

JAMES- here's the letter i sent them.....

To whom it may concern,

Hi — how are you? I have a question in relation to this Supreme Court of Canada case Bank of Canada v. Bank of Montreal, [1978] 1 SCR 1148, where in the judgment of Laskin C.J. : [Page 1156] “As I have already noted, a promissory note, by definition, involves an unconditional promise to pay a sum certain in money, but it is not itself money. True, the obligation of a promissory note may be carried forward by a renewal note, but no matter how many renewals there be, or how many replacements under different terms, there is no liquidation of the debt until it is discharged, and this may be by money or money’s worth or the debt may be forgiven.” Now what I do know, is that all of this has to do together with Order-in-Council No. 16, April 10, 1933, then House Joint Resolution — 192, June 5, 1933” then in the absence of gold and silver, we were given Federal Reserve/Bank of Canada-notes to use in order to still, not pay, but “buy” things with... but under section 2. of the Bills of Exchange Act a “note” means promissory note — it’s the same as an I.O.U., it’s a debt-instrument... section 57. (1) of the Bills of Exchange Act - Every party whose signature appears on a bill is, in the absence of evidence to the contrary, deemed to have become a party thereto for value... under section 2. of the Bills of Exchange Act - “value” means valuable consideration... then there’s the Fractional Reserve Lending System, where the rate/ratio is apparently 10 in the U.S. ... the Fractional Reserve Lending System rate/ratio/multiplier in Canada which goes by the name of the Capital Adequacy Requirement which is 20, but with approval from The Office of the Superintendent of Financial Institutions in Canada, can be expanded to no greater than 23” the Birth-Certificate that has a water-mark and feels like bond-paper because it’s a Bond that reads Canadian Bank Note Company Limited in teeny-weeny letters on the bottom of it with a big-red-CUSIP-number that also used to say on the back “Revenue Receipt, (the CUSIP-number), for Treasury use only”... a Social Insurance Number that looks like an account-number, on a Social Insurance Card that looks like a bank-card — so all this being said… As the Supreme Court of Canada Chief Justice at the time Bora Laskin highlighted above; please provide for me Full-Disclosure on how I go about then getting refunded and/or reimbursed for the receipts I’ve accumulated from having to use legal tender in lieu of NOBODY out there complying for me and/or being familiar with how debt is to be properly liquidated by being discharged. Thank you, and Happy belated-St. Patricks Day to all of you in your office! By:___________________________NON ASSUMPSIT, WITHOUT PREJUDICE, ALL RIGHTS RESERVED Derek Moran, Grantor, sole-living-Beneficiary, Lawful-Holder-In-Due-Course, de jure pro domino

Derek, ifyou send this same letter to someone SPECIFIC instead of to who it may concern, do you think it would have a different effect ??..I'm just curious here..??...

Thanks Derek, very interesting. Would you, or anyone out there, happen to have a copy of this: Order-in-Council No. 16, April 10, 1933. I had been seaching with no luck.

I have it....will send to you ....

Thank you! So was this Order-in-Coucil extended indefinitely as it indicates a period of one year redemption for gold was to be suspended?

As i understand it, they RENEW the suspension for Gold as use for payment every year.....

Remember, its all about SURETY!

http://www.investopedia.com/articles/05/030705.asp

This is the best audio ive heard yet regarding TRUST law and Liens, by Winston Shrout. He starts off the show debunking the OPPT-thing, but starting at 1:11:00, the rest of the interview is about TRUST, LIENS, the SOCIAL SECURITY/INSURANCE NUMBER, etc..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyRa7xk0lJ0

Derek; you Sir, DO WORK! I don't think I've ever thanked you for your work, I do so now publicly. Thank you for the work you do.

LOL. No need to thank me. We are all in this together. Thank Scott for starting this page. If you must, you can thank me by helping me, asking Scott to do a walk-through on the proper way of filling-out/registering a lien on ppsa.ca. By helping me, we will all be helping ourselves, ultimately... ;)

http://www.tbs-sct.gc.ca/pol/doc-eng.aspx?id=13342

funny..theres no 'Directive on the use of the Consolidated Revenue Fund for US"-link ;)

http://www.tbs-sct.gc.ca/pol/doc-eng.aspx?id=15788&section=text#appA

A. The birth certificate is not a property of the Government of Canada and it is not an instrument to request payment by the Government of Canada of any Debt incurred under your name. It is an official document issued by a Provincial Government giving details of a person's birth. For any information or to voice any concerns regarding a birth certificate, please consult the Provincial Government where the birth certificate was issued.

http://www.tpsgc-pwgsc.gc.ca/recgen/txt/faq-eng.html

..the Birth Certificate, no matter what THEY say, is still a NEGOTIABLE INSTRUMENT though right?

Two words- BENEFIT, WARRANT...they can do it when they put their minds to it ;)

if an instrument does not specify it is NON-NEGOTIABLE, the presumption is that it IS negotiable, as anything with a signature/autograph would be considered negotiable.

a card without the remainder of the matching deck is worth/use[less] unless it has an autograph or the remainder of the deck could be reassembled.

RE: "thank me by helping me, asking Scott to do a walk-through on the proper way of filling-out/registering a lien on ppsa.ca."

*clears throat* I direct the attention of Chief Justice Duncan to the fact that such an undertaking does fall within his mandate as a privateer. -->> "Blacks 2nd Edition (1910) pg 941 defines a Privateer then as “a vessel owned, equipped, and armed by one or more private individuals, and duly commissioned by a belligerent power to go on cruises and make war upon the enemy, usually by preying on his commerce"

How's that Derek?

how can a justice have a mandate as a privateer if a privateer is a vessel to use when going on a cruise....

I suspect one needs to contact wardrobe and select the hat to be worn, depending upon the circumstances.

Is a wal-mart coupon is a negociable instrument ???..

Dear Sir/Madam,

Thank you for your e-mail. This office is only able to comment that Robert Welch was a vallid Registrar General of Ontario . Any certificates issued during his tenure would contain his SIGNATURE. (= SURETY) :)

If you have any further questions you can call our office, Monday through Friday, 8:30 a.m. to 5:00 p.m., holidays excluded, at 1-800-461-2156 for all of North America (areas outside of Toronto) or 1-416-325-8305 in the Greater Toronto Area and Internationally. (HINT: Once you have navigated through to the appropriate option on the telephone you can press “0” if you need to speak with an agent)

Regards,

Lise D. Email Correspondence Unit Contact Centre Services Branch ServiceOntario -- making it easier Visit us at: www.ServiceOntario.ca

T: (800) 461-2156 / (416) 325-8305 E: ORGID@ontario.ca

INTERESTING FACTS ABOUT YOUR BIRTH-CERTIFICATE:

1. On the bottom of your Birth Certificate, it says in teeny-weeny letters the words- 'Canadian Bank Note Company Limited'

2. On the back of it you have a CUSIP-number printed in red (a CUSIP-number is evidence of a 'security')

3. Its made of 'Bond-paper' (technically, its called- EXCHEQUER BILL PAPER)

4. The new ones have a watermark on it

5. The old ones used to have the words "Revenue receipt...For Treasury Use Only" on the back

6. Barrons Law of banking-terms says a certificate is proof or claim of an ownership

7. The Birth Certificate and your 'original' Long-Form-Statement-Of-Live-Birth-Record are considered to be a "valuable token" by the Office of the Registrar General of Ontario

8. The legal-definition of a "token" is simply put?.. 'money-substitute'

Great info Derek Moran & thanks for sharing m8. The Birth Cert is a NEGOTIABLE INSTRUMENT unless it states NON-AMENDABLE on it.

i think that's some sort of sorcery.

Non Amendable is OUR CHECKMATE. We can't alter &/or Amend. NON-NEGOTIABLE puts them in checkmate.

Where is the VALUABLE CONSIDERATION on our BC? Is it their Logos &/or signature?? Is it RUBBER STAMPED??

if you swap out the first letter of that # on the back of your BC with one of the 12 routing #s of the fed, checking against a credit card validation checker....you will find a 'valid account" every time... same with the # on the statement of live birth, some will produce the issuing bank...but the fact that the "letter" doesn't always correspond with the bank it represents ie "A"=Boston fed res" makes proving anything beyond coincidence tough, but it is interesting just the same...i'm sure there is a mathematical formula that I am misunderstanding...but EVERY time I have hit a "valid" number...

my BC is rubber stamped.

i suppose i ought to post a picture of the copy i have.

I have 2 different birth certificates. Issued at different times. Both have same reg. number. Diifferent combination of letters and numbers on both and nothing marked on the back of the other.

I have 6 different types of wal-mart coupon :-P

Rubber stamp is the VALUABLE CONSIDERATION! !

http://beforeitsnews.com/obama-birthplace-controversy/2011/12/rubber-stamped-fraud-1531284.html

Pierre, does your wal-mart coupons say NON AMENDABLE??

Mass Arrest Warrants - David Wilcock & Winston Shrout - Liens Against Central Banks Explained. that link has been removed.

James Eugene Vari, what happened to Willy Wally? ;)

http://www.investopedia.com/exam-guide/cfa-level-1/derivatives/swap-markets-contracts.asp

bill wally still around we are doing big thing with the tax courts

1. Idem

(2) A person is deemed to be "insolvent" within the meaning of this Act if the person is adjudged a bankrupt under the Bankruptcy Act (Canada) or if the person makes an assignment for the general benefit of his or her creditors, and "insolvency" has a meaning corresponding with "insolvent".

http://www.canlii.org/en/on/laws/stat/rso-1990-c-p5/latest/

James- so when Willie Wally awhile back talked about DERIVATIVES, was he also talking about 'FUTURE CONTRACTS,' too?

Scott Duncan Hint:A numbered corporation has no SIN.

Your name isn't yours either.

Beverly Berta Braakschmack So your company should lien the "vessel" as a martime lien and all acts in commerce are done through the company...?

Scott Duncan Yes

Scott Duncan Put in the corporate charter that the corporation holds a TRUST. Live off that.

Beverly Berta Braakschmack Doesn't it turn your name into a vessel for commerce?

Scott Duncan Yes.

Beverly Berta Braakschmack kinda like a permission slip

Beverly Berta Braakschmack to function in the world of promises...

Derek Moran HOWEVER, there's a BIG difference Scott between the $20 Bill that says THIS NOTE IS LEGAL TENDER and the BIRTH CERTIFICATE......that being, the Birth Certificate DOES NOT have on it anywhere THIS BANK-NOTE IS LEGAL TENDER thereby giving us proper NOTICE that they are making an OFFER FOR LAW to us, correct?

Scott Duncan Correct, but you are the BENEFICIARY. the onus is on YOU to know your rights/duties regarding commerce (which this bond allows transactions in)

Scott Duncan Thanks Willie. Usually I'm the one who points this out, but it's all white-noise to them now.

It's simple. Lien the Birth Certificate, and walk away. Don't "notify" strangers that you are an idiot. They already suspect it, so you don't need to confirm.

Why do these Zombie threads keep coming up?

Yes, Derek Moran is an idiot. WE GET IT! Why do we keep bringing these back?

I think that it may be a by-product of seeking out Scottisms. :/

Claim derivatives?

WOW.....you have all these sexy words :D

There's some gold here. I think wrong!

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/derivative