Mar 26, 2013 8:06 AM

http://www.buildfreedom.com/tl/comliens.shtml

this mite help

Ffffuuuuucccccckkkkkkkkkk. ...now THIS IS GOLD !!!!

http://www.lawyerdude.8k.com/5718.html

Serious reading now...yawn...im off to Tasmania tomorrow arvo...no sleep last night because of toodays court room shenanigans. ...sneaky fuckers they were.....AMENDABLE INSTRUMENTS do work as the dirty pricks used today against me....Amended the previous Judges order...I sighed deepl......after I got the ORIGINAL ORDER from the new judge today...I had to give it back to her fuckin spewing real bad....All my stamps were in my car ready to do the olde switcheroo...They LOVE taking my NAME TO WAR. IM A CASH COW FOR THEM . BUT IT AINT ME COZ ....I AM!!

Government accounts may be liened WITHOUT notice. Only a PARTY may be NOTICED, and since the GOVERNMENT IS NOT A PERSON, they CANNOT be a PARTY.

can they be held liable in private capacity

And a corporation is a "person" as it has shareholders? In that case they need to be notified?

Only an AGENT OF THE CORPORATION need be served (An agent served, is the PARTY served.)

As in their secretary?

As in AGENT. ANY employee (Yes even the secretary).

Funny, I just finished reading this publication this morning. It can also be found here in its original format - http://www.mind-trek.com/practicl/comliens.htm - Can't help but wonder how the process applies to putting liens on the OWNER of a corporation and all HIS assets, chattels and real property? Is it possible to "suffocate" a debtor with the lien process into compliance? More research on the way... Btw, all input from resident "silver bullets" is much APPRECIATED! :)

Steve Lemieux: A corporation is not "owned". It is the "property" of the SHAREHOLDERS.

Indeed, owner = sole shareholder

Which corporation?

Human Machines has 145 million shares, owned by 4 people. Again, sole shareholder is not OWNERSHIP. It's a SHARE.

"...the GOVERNMENT IS NOT A PERSON, they CANNOT be a PARTY."..... is the Government then considered an AMICUS CURIAE when they are in court? :/

"Ultimately, the Bank is owned by the people of Canada."

http://www.bankofcanada.ca/about/who-we-are/

Splitting hairs, are we not? If I owned all 145 million shares of Human Machines (HM), would I not be the "owner" (controller, director, creator) in some context? Who now owns HM ? = who "controls"HM?

Is control not ownership on some level? Perhaps putting aside liability

"...corporation is not "owned". It is the "property" of the SHAREHOLDERS."..... Birth Certificate = SHARE? However, seems like it got turned around on us where instead WE are deemed to be the PROPERTY of the Corporation :/

Steve, to possess is to control i.e. You possess the PERSON.

To own in commerce means one can sell what he/she owns...

The government is a TRUST, not a corporation.

Eamonn, as an "owner" who possesses a CORPORATION, you can SELL IT, can you not? ;)

You can sell the shares...

I therefore TENDER the following, 1 BITCOIN for each share of EAMONN O BRIAN. Do you accept?

Define 1 share of EAMONN O BRIEN

hopefuly that has nothing sexual guys...:D

The government of QUEBEC is a trust

The NAME they created is held in that trust and its theres

I’m the BENEFICIARY of that NAME

I give VALUE to that NAME

The SURETY of that name is Government of QUEBEC ??

Everytime I use a COUPON, the Government pick the $$ on the SURETY

Coupon can be used in Hospital, Court, School—etc

If a PERSON lien the NAME, I surely have to give my AUTHORIZATION, since I’m the LAWFUL holder in due course of that NAME ??.

When the NAME is liened, the TRUST (Government) canât take anything on the SURETY no more ??

The Trust, where this PERSON that liened that NAME his kept, has now the DUTY of ADMINISTRATE that NAME….this is where I get lost—maybe before that :D :D

"The government is a TRUST, not a corporation." ok, wait one second. are you saying that canada incorporated, and the government of canada, and the canadian court system are not all the same thing, or an unseperable amalgam of a sole conglomeration of things? (same question just substitute U.S. for canada)

yes, include, all employees and agents, departments, services, etc. an unseperable toxic amalgum like a tooth filling...

I understand that you can register a "business" name to act as a trust... ? To administer. Not necessarily for profit. Scott verification please :)

OMFG, there's so many types of trusts... might need a new thread on that topic. Would this trust be a Testamentary trust?

Maybe just focus on public trusts vs private trusts.

If it's a private trust, it's nobody's business except that of the grantor/trustee(s)/beneficiary(ies). Anyone else is not a party and it is literally none of their business.

The only public notice then becomes: The property/person (described by these features), has been liened into a private trust.

This is why ANY questions from any of us about the AQUILAE TRUST are met with 'None of your fucking business', not because Scott Duncan is being a dick about it, but literally because unless we are a party to it, it's none of our business...and it serves as a gentle reminder from him on how to deal with interlopers (policy enforcers etc) who try to meddle in our private affairs ;-)

I think Stuart Stone has got it! :D

Beverly May Braaksma, REGISTER = JOINDER. NOTICE, is NOTICE... which is all you need.

Stuart, Scott also RESERVES that Right too.

It just got very simple in my mind now.....can it be that simple ???...when you NOTARIZE everything rhe Deal is done.....

When you lien the Name....does that AUTOMATICALLY liem you children's NAME ??..

lien the childrens' names as well Joseph Pierre Gilles, who is going to object?

No one....I was trying to find the LOGIC in this....my children definitly have their OWN persons.....but before 18 I, as a parent must have the responsibilities of their NAME hook to my NAME......in other words...its still fuggy as far as children....wish Scott would defug that part

As a man, and a father, definitely, but in terms of the person, I'm not so sure...when you register the baby human, they/the govt department create a new name that you (or the mother) are listed merely as informants, so my understanding is that they are created as totally separate persons, and it may not have anything to do with their age, but more to do with when they begin to contract in their own right ie: applying for a SIN, drivers licence, passport etc....but I could be talking out my arse.

Your arse make sens....cant wait to have Scott's answer

that's what I thought but under Public Trusts it says "see Charitable Trust" and somehow that didn't make any sense...

We were talking about the Government being a Trust, not a corporation, btw...

and one more Tom Messer...

Pete how much property can a trust own? is there a limitation?. a trust can own as many properties as it chooses to own. so its private it's nobody's business how much a trust owns as property.

can anyone tell me what Trust Company owns the moon?