Mar 02, 2013 11:36 PM

BITCOINS....who owns them ???

http://youtu.be/Um63OQz3bjo

http://youtu.be/4sKx6lhxM_8

...and of course

http://youtu.be/BE-JB078Ax4

Ok, is e-money being traded in the FX now? My GAIN and FXCM accounts should still be active... maybe...

Watch ALL these before questions :P

Holy shnickies, 1:1000 leverage possibility at Bit4X... I just answered my own question

https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&ie=UTF-8#hl=en&sugexp=les%3B&gs_rn=5&gs_ri=psy-ab&tok=BO5MrnNAbY82-rZmZUhnzw&cp=16&gs_id=3h&xhr=t&q=bitcoin+exchange&es_nrs=true&pf=p&safe=off&sclient=psy-ab&oq=bitcoin+exchange&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.43148975,d.aWc&fp=748fa0d3023d5270&ion=1&biw=1050&bih=553

HUNDREDS of exchabges

Are you using a specific trading strategy?

No. I have no use for more money.

Oh. Neither do I actually. But.... What the fuck are we talking about then? lol

how do I get my customers paying me with BITCOINS..???

Set up a server.

shit....Do I get this rigth..???....shit shit shit....is DEBIT card exist for BITCOIN ?????

Steve Lemieux: I am teaching all of you what I know, so you can LEAVE THE JURISDICTION. The whole PURPOSE of this group is THE TENDER FOR LAW that money provides.

Congratulations on missing the point though. I really thought I'd dumbed things down.

I was being cheeky. I, like you, am a dick

no more need for freaking bill of exchange ????....wwwoww!!!....If Im not USING THEIR currency, I have no business at all with them..????....it becomes like pesos for me....AAARGGG !!!!

I meant CAD bill of exchange

Some of us need "more dumbing down" than others... just sayin'

Living in CANADA without using CAD.....hehehe!!!....fuk them with their debt....

Set up a server: Scott Duncan, that is scary stuff...lol...

Another thread? :( makes me want to cry trying to keep up.

The name "The Tender For Law" is quite literary to remove ones self from 'Their' system completely simple by not using 'Their' CURRENCY as well as 'Their' rules. "MY CURRENCY, MY RULE" since everything is commerce anyway. just thoughts spewing out of my head is all, take no notice.

Pierre,,,,,,,,,,don't say it.

fuk...I was going to write it....

lol

"Some form of payment for something" This is the agreement, this is LAW.

THE TENDER FOR LAW

Is about WHAT the TENDER is for the AGREEMENT.

Still spewing, please take no notice. Sometimes I need to verbally fart to express my thoughts prior to obtaining the true meaning.

NOW Pierre, NOW.

Scott doesn't mince words, nor does he say every thing. The title, "THE TENDER FOR LAW" in and of it self has a hidden meaning right out there in the open for all to see. To see means nothing, To COMPREHEND WHAT one SEES is a different matter all together.

What is "TENDER"? What is "FOR LAW"? Its all about the intended context, is it not? So... the real question is: Are you smart enough to figure out the true intention?

TENDER = "CONDITIONALLY OPEN TO OFFERS" LEGAL = "RULES WITH THE FORCE OF LAW WITH CONSENT"

http://merx.com/ offers public tenders.

Money offers a TENDER FOR LAW.

They are the same thing.

no I am not smart enough to figure out the true intention. That would imply that I can read Scott's mind and know what he thinks. And if I was smart enough I wouldn't be here spewing garbage out my mouth :)

Didn't I say take no notice?

Just had a thought, at the risk of being off topic. I can't help but wonder if anyone has ever attempted to fight a foreclosure by saying "I'd pay the MONEY OF ACCOUNT debt judge, but.... there just doesn't exist enough MONEY OF EXCHANGE to make the payments! I've checked everywhere" How's that for garbage Chad? heheh

paying a mortgage I would check to see if the grantee is also the grantor

And I spew much better garbage ;) is one of few things i'm good at lol

It SEEMS The AntiTerrorist is reading this group as well.

Ok, I've watched the entire Money as debt series along with the other videos. I guess I can ask questions now... First - Bitcoin currency seems a little too complicated for the average Joe out there to use to buy beer and pay for hookers (if that's what he wants to do). Maybe I'm missing something (very likely). Can someone please elaborate on using bitcoin effectively so even my mother can do it? Second - To answer the question: CAN IT MAKE YOU RICH? I honestly don't know. Can you define "rich"? Are we taking about setting up powerful overseas remote servers to "mine" this currency? Please explain as I have no idea what direction my research should head towards at this point. It seems to me that bitcoin has had issues in the past but bitcoin/wallet security can be brought up to required levels (hackers will always exist anyways).. Third and final question: Please elaborate on using forex in relation to bitcoin.. I have no use for money either but I do need to buy food (whether its legal tender or bitcoin) Let the comments begin....

Good questions Steve, all I can add is The grocery store doesn't accept Bitcoin yet. So until then..........

The purpose of BITCOIN is to stop the transition of MONEY OF EXCHANGE to MONEY OF ACCOUNT. ACCOUNTANTS only have jurisdiction over MONEY OF ACCOUNT. MONEY OF EXCHANGE is YOUR JURISDICTION.

When you deposit MONEY OF EXCHANGE into a BANK, that money becomes MONEY OF ACCOUNT.

NOT SO WITH BITCOIN!

...get it?

sec

m, We use 'Money' for exchange of goods we need/want. transaction complete at that point, over and done with between the parties to the transaction. With Moneys of 'Account' , someone is keeping score/track of and probably charging for it though it is none of their businesss, the initial transaction I mean. Bitcoin eliminates that. My words, my head.

The right answer is the right answer. It doesn't matter who says it.

...only I do it without Lizards and Spaceships.

Cryptic.........AM I FOCUSED YET? I NEED TO BE """"FOCUSED"""

http://youtu.be/vRnT-AU7ToQ

Some times I NEED that :(

Just a tip: When you find your keys, you don't need to keep searching for them.

You have it, Chad. THAT is the answer.

But ,,m,,,,,that would mean I have been right,,,,ah......:) 2 times now :)

I'll still take a shot "FOCUS" though

I have a broken analog watch that's right 2 times a day as well. STAY FOCUSED :P

I try, so much shit to swim through though, clouds my vision.

Then focuse on the people who PUT THAT SHIT THERE. YOU didn't put it there.

Rage can give clarity. Somebody put that shit there WITH INTENT, TO HARM/EXPLOIT you.

Those same people put that shit there to HARM/EXPLOIT those you care about.

I will say it again, Here 99% law talk, there (DEANS FB and also the forums that I (-sigh-I paid for, then got passworded out of)1% talk law. I'll stay here as long as I'm allowed

THAT one is simple.

Don't pass something off as TRUE that isn't. It's the SIMPLEST rule ever, because ALL you have to do... is NOT do something.

That's the beauty of following my rules; it takes up so little of your time.

I get that, the rage/anger thing. just had it this morning on the forum. anyway have learned more here in 3 weeks then last 2 years combined

Well I haven't been able to discount anything you've said sofar, (prob never will be able to in the future) but most of the other stuff from other people just raises more questions and gets more confusing

That is the FIRST sign that you are listening to a "believer". What they SAY may be true, but what they THINK isn't.

Picture a 2 year old parroting 2+2=4. They say the right thing, and the answer is true, bit it's IMMEDIATELY obvious that that same child knows NOTHING about WHY because the kid CAN'T ADD.

so true on that but I experiencied a different approach from a teacher long time ago.

While attending Private school (Shawnighan Lake Boys School at the time) 2 months into the year my teacher turned to 3 of us an litrally shouted out, "NOW your thinking"

This was right after we finally answered 2+2 = jackshit. Math is a pure form of REFERANCE.. 2 means nothing until it is applied to something. Now trig/calculus yadda comes easy when applied. Everyone was argueing about THE MATH instead of WHAT the MATH REPRESENTED. end rant

Oh and yes I agree with you , even before that we did the multiplicatioon tables just remorization but now real learning. Teachers have it so easy nowadays. My kids are correcting them for bloody sake.

*memorization* cheeeez

If the kid corrects them, they are always admonished for "not respecting authority".

Ya, they learned that lesson :(

While doing some chores and such I was thinking about "Those same people put that shit there to HARM/EXPLOIT those you care about."

All I came up with was they are trying to make themselves larger/egoish then they already are. While at the same time feeding untruths to the masses that can't stand up to the flashlight in the dark scrutiny. So, if they understand what they are saying then therefore they know they are harming you with their rhetoric. and they do it willingly.

for the $19.95 will be shipped in 2 weeks cd

RE:"It SEEMS The AntiTerrorist is reading this group as well" - Do you have evidence to support such an awesome claim? :D

crap...But if we went to work and each day we put our usb keyfob in the bosses machine to update earnings then went to grocery store and bought foodz paid via said keyfob also on our way home stopped for some gas, ditto with the keyfob again to pay for it......then banks would cease to exist in the space of a heart beat

I can't find a reference to this "It SEEMS The AntiTerrorist is reading this group as well" is in anothere thread?

RE: "Do you have evidence to support such an awesome claim?" --> Check his FaceBook page, the evidence is probably a couple of posts down by now.

This thread was posted on Saturday and his question was posed on Sunday.

Coincidence?... I think NOT! :D

RE: "BITCOINS....who owns them ???"

"We go to Florida and I get the... Bitcoins!" :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5Xp9hvTvPk

Yes bitcoin could bring an end to the fraudulent conversion process Scott is taking about, in theory. Practically, how is it done? Forget wants, like cars and doo-dads, how do we provide food, water, clothing and shelter for ourselves? What will/should the transition look like? The existing system in SOOO ingrained into every aspect of all our lives.. It's a romantic notion but how many living souls on this earth have managed to make the aforementioned transition effectively, 100%?

I like theory as much as anybody but in the real world, what is usefully applicable? A mechanic can read all the engine building books on the planet but unless he actually builds them for a living, I WOULD NOT want that guy working on my cars.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-X-Au9HrmI&feature=youtu.be

legal tender is a contract for the person not only to repay but to also to be governed by the law under which it was tendered? so creating a corporation with it's own charter provides the law that governs. UCC only needs to determine jurisdiction when the corporation doesn't have it's own charter?

"LEGAL = "RULES WITH THE FORCE OF LAW WITH CONSENT"..... its interesting you say that Scott, because ive looked for what exactly that term "force of law" means and i cant find a source-of-reference for it (other than you.."Your Honour- but Scott Duncan SAID SO," i dont think would cut it) ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_t39jCXXIrY

I love being right.

??? res ipsa loquitur!

... you being right, I mean.

FORCE OF LAW = You fucking better comply or were going to rip you a new one (LEGAL TENDER)

The more governments fuck things up, the higher the value of bitcoin will become. I'm in!!! heheh

BITCOIN = PONZI SCHEME? Check it out - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UKC7iaBKvs

67 The CONSENT of the governed is a value that is basic to our understanding of a free and democratic society. Yet democracy in any real sense of the word cannot exist without the rule of law. It is the law that creates the framework within which the "sovereign will" is to be ascertained and implemented.

http://www.canlii.org/eliisa/highlight.do?text=consent&language=en&searchTitle=Search+all+CanLII+Databases&path=/en/ca/scc/doc/1998/1998canlii793/1998canlii793.html&searchUrlHash=AAAAAQAHY29uc2VudAAAAAAAAAE

[A] regulation is a rule of conduct, enacted by a regulation-making authority pursuant to an Act of Parliament, which has the force of law for an undetermined number of PERSONS;

http://www.canlii.org/eliisa/highlight.do?text=consent%2C+force+of+law&language=en&searchTitle=Canada+%28Federal%29+-+Supreme+Court+of+Canada&path=/en/ca/scc/doc/1992/1992canlii115/1992canlii115.html&searchUrlHash=AAAAAQAVY29uc2VudCwgZm9yY2Ugb2YgbGF3AAAAAAAAAQ

"The phrases from the above quotation which require elaboration in relation to the content and effect of orders in council are "rule of conduct", "force of law" and "an undetermined number of persons". A "rule of conduct" can be described as a rule which sets norms or standards of conduct, which determine the manner in which rights are exercised and responsibilities are fulfilled. Pairing this with the phrase "force of law", the rule must be unilateral and have binding legal effect. Finally, it must also apply to "an undetermined number of PERSONS", that is, it must be of general application rather than directed at specific individuals or situations."

http://www.canlii.org/eliisa/highlight.do?text=consent%2C+force+of+law&language=en&searchTitle=Canada+%28Federal%29+-+Supreme+Court+of+Canada&path=/en/ca/scc/doc/1992/1992canlii115/1992canlii115.html&searchUrlHash=AAAAAQAVY29uc2VudCwgZm9yY2Ugb2YgbGF3AAAAAAAAAQ

..moral of the story? LEARN, what THEIR, definition, of a PERSON, is!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zD7xR0DGuE&feature=share

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-03-21/us-begins-regulating-bitcoin-will-consider-virtual-transactions-money-laundering

HA! Good LUCK with that! Will they regulate Francs and Pesos too?

I was just told about the first house sold in my town was a total bitcoin deal.

Interesting, where do you live?

Calgary

define money? legal or lawful? bitcoin is no less valuable consideration than any other widely acceptable medium of exchange.

and now they have a reason to be frightened, because the world will accept bitcoin instead of petro dollars. and bitcoin will aswell cause more competition to develop.

valuable consideration = your signature......or at least thats the way they set-it-up never intending for us to catch-on/find out about it ;)

every state can have it's own version of a bitcoin. flavored in different colors...

Above post mistaken. It was in the first bitcoin deal in alberta, with a rocky mountain view. Verifing now. I am Looking into recent Article from calgary hearld or national post,'financial section. Last few days.

You are free to offer/accept ANYTHING you deem of value.

yah, tell that to the local grocer

being force into only accepting their federal reserve notes (that they could simply confiscate or devalue) as a means of exchanging value for value is slavery.

Bitcoins are good to a point. I was just listening to a program that brought up the fact that "bitcoin" doesn't control the internet but bitcoin is purely based on the internet. I am not sure if you are aware of that hacker who has essentially (illegally) mapped the internet, so that being the case how secure can bitcoin really be. If control of the internet becomes regulated or certain powers just "shut'er down" over "national security" concerns... That being said, imagine the effects of another Carrington type of event happening ... TOMORROW!! I know the gold /silver paradigm as well, but best not have all the eggs in one basket.

I like the fact that there is a FINITE supply of BITCOIN, supposedly. However.....how does one REALLY know that for sure? :/

Learn some math, maybe?

Math, or.. are you talking something as easy as CALCULUS? ;)

Have you joined the group THE ANSWER TO EVERYTHING? We discuss that stuff there.

Learn to read code and you can SEE the mechanics as easy as you add 2+2 and always get 4, no matter how many people doubt it.

Bitcoin is a great system to exchange funds. It works very well and now a lot of people are using it, due to the writing on the wall in EU. There are some bitcoin clones even floating around because the software is all open source. It's only weakness is the infrastructure that supports it is susceptible to forces beyond it's control.

So build your own.

That's what I do.

I thought bitcoin relies on network connections. How can you build your own internet? I know there are some super intelligent people out there with mad computer skills that can get around just about anything. But what if the creators of the internet (u.s. military I think...) or some psychotic sociopathic "leader of the free world" decides the internet is "bad" for sheeple and blocks it completely. Bitcoin would then be compromised to about 99% of the users, except for the geniuses that can get through at that point. So sure if things stay as they are Bitcoin is safe. Do you see what I mean? It's not as stable of a medium of exchange as say gold or silver or tobacco or any commodity for that matter... With the current situation on this planet I would just like to make sure folks are aware of that...:)

Not to mention an EMP from some rogue nation/organization or like I mentioned before another Carringtion Event (1859)would likely wipe-out all Bitcoins...

Joel, better yet- at least once a week the Tim Hortons i go to puts out a sign: "System down..CASH ONLY," acts as a reminder to me why we need Bills of Exchange(in a perfect world)

Yeah. I guess I just see electronic exchanges in general as virtual and fragile susceptible to manipulation by very few with the correct skill set. It requires a lot of trust in things/folks that I don't even KNOW. Where as physical stuff is just THERE... :)

I am not poo-pooing the Bitcoin, I just would not count on them for anyting more than an anonymous transfer or something along those lines. The value of them is really up and down now as well...

That's why "peer-to-peer" models like BitCoin, BitTorrent, BitDNS, and other peer-to-peer services work. you only need to have 3, nodes to recover a million-node network.

*note-to-self.....take that Computer Science class Scott suggested* ;)

The pirated movie you download isn't susceptible to these imaginary "threats" you guys come up with.

Yeh but p2p requires functioning electronics. Of course any pirated movie that I have allegedly downloaded, or not, would be susceptible to my "imaginary" threats. I meant it in a worst case scenario SHTF what would you rather have? Food and water or ones and zeros hanging about in some unaccessable virtual void? Right? They have value in today's world and the near foreseeable future... but man it's a crazy world out there today. BTW Scott Duncan, are you suggesting I imagined the Carrington Event? :P

..and i dont even have a DVD player, much less watch TV ;)

http://theagenda.tvo.org/ ;)

Some stores in Montréal start accepting Bitcoins as payment....is there a lots of these stores...??? Maybe few people saw my other topic... I got a legit computer retail store (whole custom computers, parts) and Im about to accept bitcoin as currency.

I need just one more thing, a trusted (and quick) source to exchange bitcoins for cash. Because Powercolor and such dosen't accept bitcoins.

it's more than doubled again, $88.US people are asking nearly a hundred per BTC for sale. the problem, is that converting dollars to bitcoin creates an intention. lets hope that island is 'allowed' to function on BTC trading as a currency bartered for consumeables. they can open up one cashier lane with the ability to accept BTC at it's market rate, and at the same time why not add silver bullion at spot.

you just do the math at spot, and the sales cash/register machine converts it into dollars for the record. change is only given in brass dollars (only rediemable at a scrap yard for spot into BTC).

Joseph Pierre Gilles you can reverse convert BTC through MtGOX to DWOLLA to your locally accessable bank account.

It SEEMS Max is at it as well. (reading the tender for law I mean)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UklSTndV6I&feature=youtu.be

Scott- here is the chart that CHARTS the price of Gold: http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=gck13.cmx

Where is the chart that charts the price of Bitcoin?

maybe this ??? http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/ :D

"That's because the feds don't consider bitcoin — a virtual currency that's being used around the globe — to be "TENDER,"...... ok, and, they dont consider it to be TENDER because.....? :/

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/is-bitcoin-legal-2013-4#ixzz2PLNPAo2N

Competition ??

Ok- SO..lets say i wanted to put a $1,000 right now into Bitcoin, WHERE would i go Scott Duncan to do it?

To Scott Duncan's place ?? :D

fuk I'm I the only one who's following in here ?? :D :D

i am following. I know that the Sovereign Conference was discussing bitcoin this week, in South America i think. I find it very interesting......as Max Keiser also announced this week that it's TOO late....to jump in, and I also heard people already w bitcoin would be getting money? for them? something like that. I am wondering is this is to end bitcoin and the lack of cointrol that the fed has over it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KP6pBS6uptE&feature=youtu.be

@ Derek; RE: "Ok- SO..lets say i wanted to put a $1,000 right now into Bitcoin, WHERE would i go Scott Duncan to do it?"

I think Scott posted a link to many different exchanges, way back at the start of the thread, about seven or eight comments down from the top.

mtgox.com is the big bitcoin exchange...

Derek Moran...why does your brain always stop functioning 3 feet from the "finish line"?

..uhhh- im looking at MTGOX.com as you typed this! :P

Of course, Scott..all these banks will be able to confiscate our funds because we unwittingly gave them Power-of-Attorney over our TOTTEN Trust/bank accounts methinks, right?

http://bit.ly/10tU9Sa

Im thinking that maybe your NOTICE OF MISTAKE tailored a certain way and submitted to your bank, would be able to CORRECT this MISTAKE.....? Signed, 'BigBlueButton' ;)

Why don't you take all your "money" out of the bank and keep it under your mattress? It will be safest there. You can always buy bitcoins or at worst a prepaid card to do "transactions". Don't you be feeding the beast too! :)

Yeah..!!!...or burn these fukers...

https://mtgox.com/terms_of_service

Derek Moran, you yes YOU, LOL go to dwolla and mtgox. from your bank > dwolla > mtgox > BTC to revert just reverse exchange. also try https://localbitcoins.com/

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-04-03/don%E2%80%99t-rush-gold-what-real-hard-currency-mine-looks

Joel, their system ACCOUNTS for "under the mattress" deposits, it's called interest.

Yes, they do. Obviously the long game-plan is total wealth confiscation. Why is it so easy for them...There are so few of them... and so many more allowing it happen. Tragedy.

http://www.naturalnews.com/039850_bitcoin_bubble_crash_globalists.html

http://www.moneytruth.org/home.html

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/story/2013/04/26/business-bitcoin-tax.html

Revenue Canada can SAY that, but it isn't true.

CRA are a scary type of GANG....I suspect them to be the MOST powerfull criminal gang in Canada, extorsion is their MAIN line of business....I see it EVERYDAY, some folks from other gangs are very careful with CRA.....anyway, my toughts on it... -_-

http://gizmodo.com/gaming-network-employee-turns-14-000-users-into-bitcoin-487054354

http://fr.anyoption.com/options-bitcoin

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57570925-38/need-bitcoins-this-atm-takes-dollars-and-funds-your-account/

Scott Duncan: KA CHING!

That's TWO now. There are over 100 exchanges right now. PUBLIC exchanges.

http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/

ALL green at this point. No drops ANYWHERE!

(That's as of this posting. It will go red sometimes, but not often)

Scott Duncan: http://bitcoinatm.com/

I need one of these ATM machine :/

Scott Duncan: I SWEAR those fucking slashdot people read this group. :P http://slashdot.org/story/13/02/28/1958208/bitcoin-hits-new-all-time-high-of-32 slashdot.org

Scott Duncan: Slashdot USED to be our hangout. I think some still follow me to get content.

Scott Duncan: People laughed at me CONSTANTLY for MONTHS after this.

#1 rule of the universe - SCOTT IS ALWAYS RIGHT

http://slashdot.org/story/11/10/19/136259/value-of-bitcoin-crashes

Scott Duncan: Not the Slashdot People. Not even a little bit.

These are all people who focus on STUFF THAT MATTERS. They can watch me and get all they need. These (especially the lower number IDs) are people who eat, sleep and breathe this stuff.

Scott Duncan: You CAN use it now as your "matress" to stuff money in.

It can be your "national currency" if you establish your jurisdiction.

Scott Duncan: CPA=Certified Public Accountant.

The US version of our "Chartered" accountants.

Jason F. LeBlanc: Let me get this thing staring me right in the face...

Bitcoin equals a private bank where the owner injects the hard currency creating credits.

Everyone In network else uses the credits cutting out banks, Creating economies of scale.

How does the the owner reap the rewards?

One is missing something.

Scott Duncan: Bitcoin is CURRENCY. Nothing more. The BANK part is YOU.

Jason F. LeBlanc: So...... Once corporation is established and we create credits.

People who need credits purchase our credits they Benefit from credits.

We keep filling the atm up and eventuality the monetary system reaches a point where bitcoin has got them running?

Scott Duncan: No we keep that money (It's the GOOD stuff! Money of exchange!), only send the INTEREST back to Canada.

Putting money back into circulation, gives the Canadians money they can earn to pay THEIR interest.

It will allow economic growth for an extra 30 years and kill the banks in the process.

Jason F. LeBlanc: So that's the big deal..... That is one big benefit of sovereignty.

The ability to create credit. Wow!

! Its good to be the King!

Scott Duncan: Yes...SO BE A FUCKING KING!

Derek Moran: If i cant get the TTC to accept a Consumer Purchase to get a Metropass... whats the likelihood that they would accept BITCOIN as payment?

Scott Duncan: NONE

There is NO chance ttc will accept a bitcoin.

But I do and I'm a currency exchange. 4 bitcoins will buy a metropass.

Correction, as of today THREE will.

Cara Small Atherton: how would bitcoin work for some one who barely exchanges outside of a 100 mile radius?

Scott Duncan: It's not "miles" it's JURISDICTION.

Study BITCOIN MINING. Collectively the "individual" banks MINE in a cluster. Coins harvested get distributed evenly throughout. EVERYONE gets a piece of the loot. Money grows by sitting there and it is like "interest" but at 6 or 7 percent.

Gail Marie Way up^^^^^^^^^^

The Trust (which I direct),The Trustee corp administered via a lien which states: all debts previous and current. It is a net for debt of the legal person who is value less. Trustee corp is the court, the administrator of the legal person's debt.... It essentially owns that debt. So by proxy that debt is now trust property that the creditors are now responsible for... the gubbinit.. much like what they do... hmmm So the debt is already created. The question then is How to Exchange the Debt, which is done thru the corp... By what mechanism? 3 Notices to whichever Govt dept then lien the appropriate account... creating Value.. So take it one step further and based on reality and what they use to calculate the worth of a person's lifetime and do the same thing. Accounting and Surety. One needs to assess it correct? Scott Duncan Who is to rebut- NO ONE. As long as a the legal framework via administrative process is complete. Am I correct so far? Scott Duncan

Fuck. This thread used to have way more on it.... I know its been deshitified... So if we cut them off from the legal person... Stopping them from creating anymore debt. This will stop them if enough people catch on. Money of exchange is needed when you spend it. Thru the trust we create credit with our signature. The govt borrowed from the banks in with the legal person as collateral. We stop them from doing that. And we prevent the debt being repaid as the trustee corp is first in line... so its more like debt transfer. so we can discharge this debt or settle it.... by various methods. I learn all this to find out it is valuing the wrong things.... Seriously confused now. What am I missing? Scott Duncan.

It seems a catch 22...

Then there is the whole mule thing?

fuck

:D

I despise living wrong based on fucking distorted values... I am going a little coo coo.