Mar 02, 2013 12:47 AM

I notice that this is "It is by means of this document of title that the goods themselves may be dealt with by the OWNER of them while they are still on board SHIP and upon the high seas"

Does this mean that off ship/on land the Bill of Laden does not apply anymore?

m, Or, does the simple POSSESION while on land have greater affect?

While on board ship Admiralty law is in force to protect the owners of said goods. While on land the mere Possesion of said goods is enough to signify ownership?

"Off ship" = delivered.

m, Soooo at which point Admiralty law is no longer in force or affect

When you leave the jurisdiction.

Which then transfers to the reason why they MUST get us to COME ABOARD INTO their Admiralty law. as it does not exist on the land.

When you leave the jurisdiction. ---I take it mean Jurisdiction of their Admiralty Law.

which only exists on the high seas and Navicable inland waterways.

Thats the trick- who to deliver it to: Registrar General.. Receiver General.. Minister of Finance.. Treasury Board.. The Queen.. Mark Carney at the Bank of Canada............. :/

"Principles of the Law of Contract (1919)"

agreements must be kept/pacts must be kept interesting how an attempt to hide plain sspeak is done

I think that video Fiona posted explained it best, and we must make PEACE with the Queen and become one of her allies, that, i can live with - subject NO.. ALLY yes

Privateer = Subject.

Theres a difference between being a British-SUBJECT, and an ally-of-the-ENGLISH.. ENGLISH = COMMON LAW.. British = two hebrew words, B'rith, and Ish.. B'RITH = CONTRACT.. ISH = MAN, put them together?.. B'RITH-ISH = BRITISH = MAN-OF-CONTRACT = CONTRACT LAW = ROMAN MUNICIPAL CIVIL LAW based on contracts in disguise

I just remember from grade-school, that adding an adjective, does NOT change the ROOT-MEANING of a word.. it may turn it into a COMPOUND-WORD for greater clarity, but does not change the root-meaning by giving it an adjective

Derek that just throws me for a loop but you mention contracts in disguise but then it would be void as full disclosure was not met or am I wrong?

MENS REA = INTENT.. was the INTENT of getting you to sign something to strip you of your rights as a result of their FIDUCIARY-BREACH-OF-TRUST..we dont pay our public-servants with the idea they screw us over

minute 1:05.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rW7WlT6OJxE

Receiver General: a public official in charge of a government's receipts and treasury. Pl. receivers(?) general.

Past tense = Received General

HAR!

I slay me.

Receiver's Certificate: bankruptcy. An instrument issued by a receiver as evidence that the HOLDER is ENTITLED to receive payment from funds controlled by the bankruptcy court.

"Past tense = Received General"..... thats the second time you've made that hardy-har-HAR..past-tense, present-tense, future-tense- whats the difference?

I usually get Famous Players movie-CERTIFICATES from some family member inevitably every year at Christmas. One thing ive noticed about them...is that if, you say, forget about them cuz they get covered-up by stuff in your room..you will never end-up getting the VALUE from out of it it was intended to give to you, and instead of getting to see a movie for FREE...you end-up still paying to go see the movie with your LEGAL TENDER instead- why?.....because...you forgot all about the CERTIFICATE you were given at Christmas as a PRESENT meant to BENEFITciary you..only because you didnt listen to your mom and keep a tidy-room as a kid growing-up

Statutory Receiver: a receiver whose appointment is provided for in a statute. An officer in the ROYAL household who collected revenues and disbursed them in a lump sum to the treasurer, and who also acted as an attorney with the power to appear in any court in England. The monarch and his or her consort each had a receiver, thus the full title was King's Receiver or QUEEN'S RECEIVER.

Derek Moran, I KNOW I've warned you, but you keep doing it!

...too much of this will rot your brain. :P

..but SCOTT, do you have a better suggestion to what ails me??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyV2cPLuFuA

http://www.tpsgc-pwgsc.gc.ca/recgen/txt/index-eng.html

YES! You're gonna want that CowBell!

I guess i dont get what you're getting at..what should i be studying then? :/

I have a Tenants agreement with the Queen since 2010.Obtained through acquiescence ! 3 months later I did receive a letter from the Queen. Telling me she is a constitutional Sovereign, Her Majesty acts through her personal Representative, the Governor-General and had forwarded my documents to the same so she may be aware of my approach to the Queen and consider the points I had raised, Which is of course my tenants agreement... I gave her Majesty $20 in consideration ! which her Majesty has taken, :) . Now since the Lawyer fraudulently foreclosed on me I think I should write the Governor-General ????

Yes Derek. The WIKIPEDIA article I posted covers it all.

IT WAS INVENTED IN CANADA!

The Dictionary of Canadian Law 4th-edition, BILL OF LADING: Includes all RECEIPTS(think 'Revenue Receipt') for goods, wares and merchandise accompanied by an undertaking (a) to move the goods/wares/merchandise from the place where they were received to some other place, by ANY means whatever, or (b) to deliver to a place other than the place where the goods/wares/merchandise were received a LIKE QUANTITY of goods/wares/merchandise of the SAME or a SIMILAR grade or KIND. Bank Act, S.C. 1991. c.46, s. 425

Im thinking LIKE QUANTITY, SAME, SIMILAR GRADE or KIND = a Notarized-copy of our Birth Certificate?

titling property is a pledge to public use. you dont have a title to your TV set, glasses, shoes, computer, ... you also dont HAVE to TITLE an automobile if it is for personal, household, or family (non commercial) use. it is private property.

which goes to reason that the birth certificate is title to the property. it is the APPLICATION that IS the contract, demand the original, do not accept a copy, certified or not.

Charles Moreland. Ye are failing to address the Vatican owned & Jesuit run Depositors Trust Clearance Corporation. Theyre the EVIL behind the BC.

David, have ye got your original BC? I tried but could only get a COPY. BUT, it's still AMENDABLE.

But it's NOT YOURS.... ITS THE STATE !!

RECEIVER'S CERTIFICATE: http://blacks.worldfreemansociety.org/1/R/r-1001.jpg

RECEIVER'S CERTIFICATE: http://www.mindserpent.com/American_History/reference/1914_Bouvier/1914_bouvier_3_vol_3.pdf

Description

A bill of lading is issued by a carrier, and details a shipment of merchandise, gives title to the goods, and requires the carrier to deliver the merchandise to the appropriate party.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_of_lading

carrier=DMV/RMV (dept. motor veh. reg. motor veh.) merchandise= description (color, weight, # capacity, # wheels, id #), delivery to owner identified. therfore the registration certificate (paperwork that goes along withthe plate/tag) complies withthe description. it also includes a place of "Principally Garaged" which satisfies the condition of bailment (must be MAINTAINED), as a condition of use AND the annual safety inspection satisfies that condition. the term; principally garaged in my state is on the form RMV-1 (request for title &/or a registration) AND the request for insurance. the location of principal garaging creates the town excize (use) tax, but i went to the town Dep. public works and tried to schedule a service appt. they dont do that there. but i paid the excize tax, doesnt that obligate them to provide service without predjudice?

we dont serve your kind in here...

oh and since they are the carrier, YOU are the DRIVER they hired to deliver the goods. this is why you get charged with drunk driving, and they make (you pay SURETY) $6000 dollars because YOU let them deceive you. THEY are very good at what they do. it would be easier if we could just hang them. and a dam better time too!

Scott Duncan: Really? And where does it say that? PROOF needs to identify WHAT it's proving.

Scott Duncan: "PROOF needs to identify WHAT it's proving."..... interesting statement. So in terms of Micah Green, when he goes into court..he should be getting them to PROVE, and/or IDENTIFY, just HOW the statute he's been charged with APPLIES to him considering he was not a Government Actor and/or performing a public-function-of-government who was performing a Government Action (thank you, Peter Hogg) ?

Scott Duncan: ...and PROOF must be SIGNED, or it's not PROOF, it's EVIDENCE.

That's why it's told "officially" that it's a RECORD of an event. It's PROOF that the RESULT of the event is SECURITIZED.

Scott Duncan: A RECORD is just EVIDENCE, not PROOF.

An entitlement holder’s property interest with respect to a particular financial asset under subsection (1) may be enforced against a purchaser of the financial asset, or interest in it, only if (a) bankruptcy or insolvency proceedings have been initiated by or against the securities intermediary, (b) the securities intermediary does not have sufficient interests in the financial asset to satisfy the security entitlements of all of its entitlement holders to that financial asset, (c) the securities intermediary violated its obligations under section 98 by transferring the financial asset, or interest in it, to the purchaser, and (d) the purchaser is not protected under subsection

what we covered in my Torts-and-Contracts class textbook tonight:

In most circumstances, the courts will not enforce GRATUITOUS PROMISES. Because they lack consideration, gratuitous promises are not contracts. However, there are some exceptions to the rule. A gratuitous promise that is made UNDER SEAL will be ENFORCED even without consideration. A document under seal is called a DEED. A DEED is a written contract, made UNDER SEAL by the PROMISOR(S); also called a formal contract. A promise made UNDER SEAL does not require CONSIDERATION to make it BINDING. The courts have traditionally viewed the seal on a document as an indication that the promisor understands the significance of his or her act and intends to be BOUND by the promise contained in the document.

..so- i wonder what it was the Registrar General of Ontario Robert Welch at the time i was born promised me, exactly? :/ ;)

American depositary receipt. A negotiable instrument issued by an American bank as a substitute for stock shares in a foreign-based corporation .” ADRs are the most common method by which foreign companies secure American shareholders. Companies that offer ADRs maintain a stock listing in their domestic market in their domestic currency, while the ADRs are held in U.S. dollars and listed on a U.S. stock exchange, usu. the New York Stock Exchange. The holder ofthe receipt is entitled to receive the specified securities upon presentation ofthe ADR to the depositary institution - Abbr. ADR. Also termed American depository receipt. Cf. AMERICAN DEPOSITARY SHARE.

American depositary share. A foreign security that is exempt from reporting requirements and deposited in an American bank to be held for private sale .” American depositary receipts are used to transfer the securities. Abbr. ADS. Cf. AMERICAN DEPOSITARY RECEIPT.

..Black's Law 9th

Re Wax Seals. From memory, but standing corrected, many travelling dignitaries/officials would carry a wax-stick and wore a 'signet ring' (Signature Ring). To formally sign and/or 'seal' a document they would deposit a hot dollop of wax near the foot of a document and then make an impression in the dollop of wax with their signet ring to formally sign the document.

the king sent letters sealed with his ring, or a stamp of some sort, ladies would send letters likewise sealed from the messenger's prying eyes. it is a security measure aswell as proof of the party having accepted the document. a scroll was the style of a day gone past, and a ribbon is the 'seal'. paper was to expensive to waste as an onvelope, and everyone had candles redily available.

allways ask who the sender is of such a thing. you may not want to open/accept it. i have figured out what to write on any mail from lawyers or otherwise. its simply; Refused for Delivery.

There was a thread where Russ Rawlington said he had a near-perfect record of re-sealing contracts he didnt want with scotch-tape, marking the outside of the envelope with (i think) DO NOT WISH TO CONTRACT - RETURN TO SENDER, and putting it back into the mail-box...

We have a stamp saying "UNCLAIMED". We use it on mail articles incorrectly addressed, which is usually everyone delivered.

Interesting, that has me thinking, a STAMP that reads:

NOTICE OF MISTAKE SURETY NOT ACCEPTED DO NOT WISH TO CONTRACT RETURN TO SENDER

Scott Duncan: You are the LAWFUL HOLDER IN DUE COURSE of a VALUABLE SECURITY, and you are the TRUSTEE for/of that security/property. You are therefore SURETY. IT'S NOT YOURS.

Scott Duncan: If the post office made an error and delivered a Nuke, destined for Area 51, but ended up in YOUR hands, because of a MISTAKE, then until the US Army is NOTIFIED, then YOU are liable for the well-being of that nuke.

Bob Sleigh Duck Feather: If the post office made an error and delivered a Security (BC), destined for the Registrar General, but ended up in MY hands, because of a MISTAKE, then until the Registrar General is NOTIFIED, then I am liable for the well-being of that Security (BC). ? Do I get this correctly ?

Derek Moran: Pierre.. destined for the Registrar General, or Receiver General?

Derek Moran: "If the post office made an error and delivered a Nuke, destined for Area 51, but ended up in YOUR hands, because of a MISTAKE, then until the US Army is NOTIFIED, then YOU are liable for the well-being of that nuke."..... wow, so whats really being said here between-the-lines? That WE, were never INTENDED, to be the RECIPIENT, of the Birth Certificate? But that WE, ended-up with it, by (wink-wink, nudge-nudge) MISTAKE??

Scott Duncan: Yes. But YOU are the only VALUE in the name

RECEIVER'S CERTIFICATE, Black's Law 1st: http://blacks.worldfreemansociety.org/1/R/r-1001.jpg

If I LIEN the Nuke, I've CLAIMED it.

receiver's certificate. Black's Law 9th, Bankruptcy. An instrument issued by a receiver as evidence that the holder is entitled to receive payment from funds controlled by the bankruptcy court.

Now I know why it is called a deliver room where the baby is born. My mother has delivered the cargo too the receiver.

FORMAL CONTRACT: also called a DEED, in writing and UNDER SEAL by the PROMISOR. If a contract was written and SEALED by the promisor, the formal act of applying a SEAL to the document was seen as evidence of a serious INTENTION to MAKE and KEEP a PROMISE. Contracts under SEAL were the first to be ENFORCED by the courts. A seal is required to enforce a promise if there is NO CONSIDERATION. The existence of the seal indicates that the party signing the document INTENDS to be BOUND by the agreement even when he or she receives no consideration from other parties, as in cases where the PROMISOR is promising a GIFT to someone. This can be important if, as in TAX CASES, it matters that a CONVEYANCE of something is meant to be seen as a GIFT and not something else. It is also usual for the document to be signed by the person who WITNESSED the promisor signing and affixing the seal to the document.

Scott Duncan: Buy a stock from Microsoft.

Then buy a Canada Saving Bond.

Look at what you buy, and ask if they are identification. Its a financial instrument. Nothing more.

Pete Daoust: Coupon ?

Daslow Aizelasi: Coupon no! More like warehouse reciept.

Eamonn O Brien: No LisaMarie, I don't think you're correct there. The BC is evidence that a security/financial instrument exists for your benefit, for you to engage in commerce through the PERSON. The state do not own you as that would constitute slavery. The state own the PERSON, and once you use it you are bound by the statute or act relating to the particular function you are using it for...

Pete Daoust: I could not have said it better Eamonn O Brien

Scott Duncan: Somebody's been paying attention!

Regarding the OP, If the Port Authority is receiving the goods (Bill of Laden) the question would be 'Who' are they receiving it (now holding in trust) for? Would this not be the important question?

Agreement not to assert defence against assignee

14. (1) An agreement by a debtor not to assert against an assignee any claim or defence that the debtor has against the debtor’s seller or lessor is enforceable by the assignee who takes the assignment for value, in good faith and without notice, except as to such defences as may be asserted against a holder in due course of a NEGOTIABLE INSTRUMENT under the Bills of Exchange Act (Canada). R.S.O. 1990, c. P.10, s. 14 (1).

http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/statutes/english/elaws_statutes_90p10_e.htm

Negotiable instruments, etc.

29. The rights of a person who is,

(a) a holder in due course of a bill, note or cheque within the meaning of the Bills of Exchange Act (Canada); or

(b) a transferee from the debtor of money,

are to be determined without regard to this Act. R.S.O. 1990, c. P.10, s. 29.

http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/statutes/english/elaws_statutes_06s08_e.htm

www.legalandlit.ca/joomdocs/banking/banking_geva_w03_2.doc

Unlike Black's Law 9th, there is no definition in The Dictionary of Canadian Law 4th-edition for RECEIVER GENERAL..but there is for RECEIVERSHIP ;)

RECEIVER[SHIP]: a legal or equitable proceeding in which a receiver is appointed(by the IMF) to take over the PROPERTY(i wonder what/who that could be) of an insolvent company or INDIVIDUAL. The receivership operates with respect to ALL(wonder if that includes US) of the assets of the insolvent party.

the federal reserve note has such a seal. OMFG, if a party handed you a FRN dollar, and you accepted it, that creates the obligation by the TENDER for LAW.

ooh, it explains the cartoon metalocalyps i saw last week, upon handing the revised contracts with the devil back, trading their soules for the ability to play the blues, they included a COUPON for $5 off ... (and mumbled what & where it was redemable at). that coupon was the valuable consideration. presented like a slider the court might pass to you... sneaky...

five contracts, 5 band members, five dollar coupon.

"Derek Moran Scott Duncan: If the post office made an error and delivered a Nuke, destined for Area 51, but ended up in YOUR hands, because of a MISTAKE, then until the US Army is NOTIFIED, then YOU are liable for the well-being of that nuke."

no way, i threw it out withthe trash, as far as i could tell it was just somones trash that fell out of a truck going by. I am NOT RESPONSIBLE for GOVERNMENT TRASH that becomes deposited [blown in by the wind] except to put it out for pickup when they go by. which they do every week. they must loose a lot of shit out of trucks operated by careless employees. makes me wonder if they aren't somehow accountable...

http://canlii.org/en/ca/laws/regu/sor-84-431/latest/sor-84-431.html

So Scott- is the Birth Certificate an 'Order Bill of Lading,' or, a 'Straight Bill of Lading'.....?

A straight bill of lading is one in which the goods are consigned to a designated party....

Didn't Scott say it was a Class 2 Bond in another thread?

An order bill is one in which the goods are consigned to the order of a named party.

If it's an ORDER it's What again kiddies ?? A ????

INCHOATE INSTRUMENT

NON_FINISHED CHECK

A THING YOU NEED TO FINISH

BoE

A thing that you have to rubber stamp

Y E S $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

And a straight Bill is a NON-AMENDABLE instrument... :D

LAWFUL CURRENCY!! AINT THAT A BITCH...HO HO HE HE HAHA.. :-D

Gail Blackman: Thought I would share this for discussion, a friend made a post that they received a trust number from CRA and the declaration/deed of the trust is to govern/control the use of the Canadian citizen by the living man

Derek Moran: I think thats whats called a- TRUST INDENTURE...

Scott Duncan: What Derek said.

Scott Duncan: It's an indenture, and there must be a CORPORATE TRUSTEE.

HOLY shit- i think I and/or Gail are really onto something here:

TRUST INDENTURE: 1. A document containing the terms and conditions governing a trustee's conduct and the trust beneficiaries' RIGHTS. - Also termed indenture of trust. 2. See deed of trust under DEED. Black's 9th.

Derek Moran: DEED OF TRUST: A deed, conveying title, to real property, to a trustee, as security, until the grantor, repays a loan.” This type of deed resembles a mortgage. - Also termed trust deed; trust indenture; indemnity mortgage; common-law mortgage. Cf. deed of reconveyance.

TRUSTEE = US . . . .GRANTOR = Registrar General whose signature is on the Birth Certificate? (Scott clicked LIKE on this)

hmmmm.....where else have I seen that term "Imdenture".....?

Scott Duncan: Oh and Fiona?

Re:"...You love your wife .your family."

Tara has no "Bill of lading" attached to her.

...and I could shoot BOTH my parents in the face and feel nothing.

http://www.cmla.org/papers/006B%20Pamel_Bills%20of%20Lading_Paper_ENG.pdf

"...notwithstanding that the goods or some part thereof may not have been shipped..." ;)

http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/B-5/FullText.html

RECEIVER'S CERTIFICATE: Debt instrument issued by a Receiver, who uses the proceeds to finance continued operations or otherwise to protect assets in receivership. The certificates constitute a LIEN on the property, ranking ahead of all other secured or unsecured liabilities in liquidation. Barrons Dictionary of Finance and Investment Terms.

RECEIVER: court-appointed PERSON who takes possession of, but NOT TITLE to, the assets and affairs of a business or ESTATE that is in a form of BANKRUPTCY called RECEIVERSHIP, or is enmeshed in a legal dispute. The receiver collects rents and other income and generally manages the affairs of the entity for the benefit of its owners and creditors until a DISPOSITION is made by the court.

DISPOSITION: 1. The act of TRANSFERRING something to another's care or possession, especially by DEED or will; the relinquishing of property. Blacks 9th.

RECEIVER'S CERTIFICATE: Bankruptcy. An instrument issued by a receiver as EVIDENCE (not PROOF, interestingly) that the holder is ENTITLED to receive payment from funds controlled by the bankruptcy court.

Scott Duncan: If the post office made an error and delivered a Nuke, destined for Area 51, but ended up in YOUR hands, because of a MISTAKE, then until the US Army is NOTIFIED, then YOU are liable for the well-being of that nuke.

..would this 'Notice' we would NOTIFY them with Scott, be a NOTICE OF ASSIGNMENT?

Notice of Waiver can take care of that ? ....

Ever gone to a restaurant/club and CHECKED-your-coat, Scott? The Coat-check-girl, takes a ticket, tears it in half, across the perforated-line (Terra cross), hands you one half, sticks the other in the pocket of your coat...question:

Is the ticket she gave you a Bill-of-Lading?

No it's a coupon, and when you'll redeemed that coupon to her, she will give you your coat back.....that's make me think of Marcus....he redeemed the coupon, and got his birth right back ? :/

Redeemed the coupon? hmmmmm

"bill of lading" includes all receipts for goods accompanied by an undertaking to transfer them from the place where they were received to some other place by any mode of carriage whatever, whether by land or water or partly by land and partly by water;

http://www.search.e-laws.gov.on.ca/en/isysquery/78c028d7-4130-4bad-b659-25fa574d96b3/1/doc/?search=browseStatutes&context=#hit1

"bill of lading" includes all receipts for goods ...

In finance, a bond is an instrument of indebtedness of the bond issuer to the holders. It is a debt security, under which the issuer owes the holders a debt and, depending on the terms of the bond, is obliged to pay them interest (the coupon) and/or to repay the principal at a later date, termed the maturity.[1] Interest is usually payable at fixed intervals (semiannual, annual, sometimes monthly). Very often the bond is negotiable, i.e. the ownership of the instrument can be transferred in the secondary market.[2]

Thus a bond is a form of loan or IOU: the holder of the bond is the lender (creditor), the issuer of the bond is the borrower (debtor), and the coupon is the interest.

That makes sense :)

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Scott Duncan "Off ship" = delivered.

Chad Brodgesell m, Soooo at which point Admiralty law is no longer in force or affect

Scott Duncan When you leave the jurisdiction.

Scott Duncan Privateer = Subject.

Scott Duncan If I LIEN the Nuke, I've CLAIMED it.

Brad Tullar: When the contract of sale does not call for the sellers shipment or delivery of goods (when the buyer is to pick up goods),The passage of tittle depends on whether the seller must deliver a document of tittle, such as a bill of lading or a warehouse receipt, to the buyer. A bill of lading is a receipt for goods that is signed by a carrier and that serves as a contract for the transportation of the goods. A warehouse receipt is a receipt issued by a warehouse for goods stored in a warehouse

Where did you get this, Brad?

West business 9th ed

When a document of tittle is required, tittle passes to the buyer when and were the document is delivered. Thus, if the goods are stored in a warehouse, tittle passes to the buyer when the appropriate documents are delivered to the buyer. The goods never move. In fact, the buyer can choose to leave the goods at the same warehouse for a period of time, and the buyers tittle to the goods will be unaffected.

When documents of tittle are required, and delivery is made without moving the goods, tittle passes at the time and place the sales contract is made, If the goods have already been identified. If the goods have not been identified, tittle does not pass until identification occurs.

If a document of tittle is nonnegotiable- that is, if it is not made payable to the order of any named person or to bearer- it may be transferred by assignment but not by negotiation.

assignment. 1. The transfer of rights or property <assignment of stock options>.

Derek Moran look up bailment

Brad Tullar look up 'Detinue'

letter of credit.Commercial law. An instrument under which the issuer (usu. a bank), at a customer's request, agrees to honor a draft or other demand for payment made by a third party (the beneficiary), as long as the draft or demand complies with specified conditions, and regardless of whether any underlying agreement between the customer and the beneficiary is satisfied. — Letters of credit are governed by Article 5 of the UCC. — Abbr. LC; L/C. — Often shortened to credit. — Also termed circular letter of credit; circular note; bill of credit. [Cases: Banks and Banking 191. C.J.S. Bills and Notes; Letters of Credit … 341–366, 368–370, 372–376.] hhmmm an honor or draft by a third party? Could this be document that are fingerprint were put on hhmm?