Jan 21, 2013 9:07 PM

Buddy of mine asked me this question regarding filling-out a remittance for a credit-card: "Derek, so what happens when you put your sin number as the account number here to pay off you credit card. Will you get charged for fraud?"

Well FIRST he should learn what "remittance" means. People presume they know, but they don't.

As for "Fraud" (Coming from the government, that's funny); Who's the injured party?

Here is the answer i got in my LATEST(i send them a number of emails to the Canadian Payments Association):

Hi, Can you give me the link where it shows on your website the proper way to fill-out a bill-payment-remittance for proper presentment-and-acceptance for payment to a biller? Thank you, Derek

Good morning, Thank you for contacting the Canadian Payments Association (CPA). CPA Rules and Standards do not address how a consumer must fill out a bill payment remittance for payment to a biller. For assistance, please contact your financial institution and/or the biller directly.

Regards, CPA Public Affairs Good evening,

Ummm, im confused; why would i ask my/a financial-institution and/or the biller on the proper way of filling out a bill-payment-remittance? I was under the impression that was the job of the Canadian Payments Association to regulate such matters, hence the whole purpose of having something like the 'Canadian Payments Act' to begin with; am i to believe that private-financial-institutions, and private-biller-corporations, have now been left with regulating such matters? That would seem to be a Conflict-of-Interest, would it not? :/

Thank you, Derek

Answer: still waiting.......<info@cdnpay.ca> - if'ya need it ;)

That is going to get the attention of someone unhappy.

..next one i send them will be by registered-mail ;)

"remittance" is legally equivalent to a sum of money. It is just paper and ink,

Black's Law 1st, REMITTANCE: http://blacks.worldfreemansociety.org/1/R/r-1020.jpg

Bouvier's Law 1856, REMITTANCE: comm. law. Money sent by one merchant to another, either in specie, bill of exchange, draft or otherwise.

Derek Moran Forbidden

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Bills of Exchange Act, 1985: 57. (1) Every party whose signature appears on a bill is, in the absence of evidence to the contrary, deemed to have become a party thereto for value.

INTERPRETATION Definitions:

2. In this Act,“value” means valuable consideration

..like Scott has said before- "...they shuffle stuff around..." ;)

" Accept means you will pay the document..... If you pay the document/ negotiable estimate, then obviously it belongs to you..... anyone who sends you a bill and does not send you the check to pay it with, has created a liability witch they did not provide the remedy..... uniform commercial code doctrine: in order to create liability you have have to make presentment (give it to them. hand them paper)......... If they made presentment then they have to provide a remedy for it cause they just created liability in the public....

Remittance = A Note in leu of PAYMENT, which ( as Derek Moran will happily confirm) is currently ILLEGAL.

Supreme Court of Canada Bank of Canada v. Bank of Montreal, [1978]

[Page 1156]

"...a promissory note(legal tender)...is not itself money...there is no liquidation of the debt, until it is discharged..."

https://www.canlii.org/en/ca/scc/doc/1977/1977canlii36/1977canlii36.html

FINANCIAL ADMINISTRATION ACT: “money” includes negotiable instruments; which, "...is not itself money"?

LAW CRACKS ME UP. :D

There is no money !

That is why the terms are so clear at http://roguesupport.com

The legal-system: "Have hair..will split!" ;)

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Hmm - i see there's nothing to buy on roguesupport.com, interesting.. ;)

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LMAO..yeah - and im still tryin' to figure out what that means :P

If you have to ask what product and/or service ROGUESUPPORT.COM provides, you're already wasting our time. :P

We do PUBLIC RELATIONS too...

So, to review (with the magic of Cut & Paste):

“negotiable instrument” INCLUDES any cheque, draft, traveller’s cheque, bill of exchange, postal note, money order, postal remittance and any other similar instrument;

“money” INCLUDES negotiable instruments;

BUT...

"...a promissory note(legal tender)...is not itself money...there is no liquidation of the debt, until it is discharged..."

And therefore PROMISSORY NOTES ARE NOT MONEY.

PROMISSORY NOTES ARE OBLIGATION (Tender for Law)

A promissory note turns into legal tender the moment you sign !

You ENDORSE the Legal Tender recieved.

can i bounce a cheque? ;)

No. That's an intent to defraud... unless it's to the government.

Technically, Scott- how do you ENDORSE the Legal Tender received..when we dont have to write our signature on Legal Tender? :/

You do if there's no surety. A Cheque is a good example.

TWO SIGNATURES and a TRUSTEE to facilitate is all you need for "LEGAL TENDER (A FUCKING TENDER FOR LAW)".

"Bank notes are SURETY for "money". they promise, to deliver...a promise"

MONEY OF EXCHANGE (which is a TENDER FOR LAW) only buys TITLE.

Seriously Derek, you start to get it, then you go all "girl brain" on me.

Try to conceptualize JUST how dumb that question is. It's got many layers of stupid. see if you can find them all.

Start with "endorse". Who's credit are you endorsing?

...endorsing in this hypothetical, mythology you have conjured, but don't EVER encounter here in reality...

"You ENDORSE the Legal Tender recieved." = the Legal Tender you received was as a result of ENDORSING the cheque you got it from to begin with

If you ENDORSE a cheque then you act as SURETY for the TRUSTEE (Bank) that this guy's CREDIT is good.

Using cash, you endorse NOTHING.

"MONEY OF EXCHANGE (which is a TENDER FOR LAW) only buys TITLE."..... TITLE = RECEIPT from use of the MONEY OF EXCHANGE ?

Yes. It's "Proof" of title.

And if MONEY OF EXCHANGE only buys you TITLE, then... what does MONEY OF ACCOUNT buy/get you ?

More money of account.

3 words: Big...Blue...Button ;)

I'll throw up a temporary one...

...just to show off.

http://roguesupport.com/

BigBlueButton Beta running. I'll leave it for a few days.

CUSIP is the not otherwise identifiable number on a birth certificate which can be found through dunn & bradstreet traded on fidelity that your elected representative is the fiduciary theirof (commingled accounts). the red number on the SIN or social security (account) reverse is the ammount converted into legal tender in the name of the decedent. an automobile title also has a CUSIP which is located on the top most of the certificate signed by the issuer [following the four corners rule in contracting].

ofcourse then again i might have no idea what the hell i'm talking about.